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["Molly Smith" <masada9 AT cox.net>]

Did you ever get a response on your subject question?  If so, was it positive?

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Subject: [b-hebrew] Gen 25:29 - 30 - Adom & Edom
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Hello,

In Gen 25:29 Jacob is cooking *naziyd* (boiled food) and
Esau comes in asks to eat *ha-adom ha-adom* with a qamets
under th aleph and what I take to be a defective holem over
the dalet.  He is thus called Edom with a hateph segol
under the aleph and a holem vav after the dalet.

I have a few questions.

1) Is there any information on when a defective holem is
used?  Are there any thoughts on why the defective holem
was used for Esau's cry for the red lentil soup but not for
his new nickname Edom?  Since one of the points of these
verses is to explain how Esau came to be called Edom, it
would seem that using a holem vav in adom would, at least
visually, strengthen that link.

2) Is *ha-adom* repeated simply for dramatic effect, to
show Esau's desperation or is there some gramatical or
semantic point being made.

Thanks.

Jack Tladatsi