Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Deborah Millier <deborahmillier AT yahoo.com>]

The following post addresses responses to both Peter
Kirk and Clay Bartholomew:

P. Kirk wrote:

> I wonder is DRAXASQE here must be based on emended 
> Hebrew. Can it mean
> something like "embrace"? If so, it might be a 
> euphemism for "kiss". And
> PAIDEIAS "instruction" could be an error by a Greek
> copyist for PAIDOS or
> PAIDIOU "servant", "child" which could represent 
> Aramaising Hebrew BAR
> "son". So this is not necessarily a witness to a 
> different Hebrew text.

You could be right ... but it seems like a bit of a
semantic stretch to see DRAXASQE as meaning "kiss". 
It really is a more forceful verb, meaning "catch,"
"trap," "clutch" and the like.  Remember, the context
of Psa. 2:12 is gentile kings doing obeisance to the
anointed ruler on Mt. Zion.

Your suggestion about PAIDEIAS = PAIDOS/PAIDIOU seems
more productive, but lacks any firm textual support.

On an aside, I visited your website yesterday.  Very
interesting!  Have you decided upon a place in which
to pursue your Ph.D?  Have you considered Hebrew
University?

> According to BDB s.v. BAR I a Targum reads "receive
> instruction". Of course
> this may be dependent on LXX, as the similar Vulgate
> reading surely is.
> Aquila, Symmachus and Jerome (presumably in his 
> psalter based on the Hebrew)
> have "kiss purely, do sincere homage", which is 
> clearly based on MT with BAR
> understood as "pure".

So it appears more reasonable to me to suppose that we
are looking at some variations between the LXX
*vorlage* and the MT.  Or something along those lines.

C. Bartholomew wrote:

> Looks like a textual problem.
> 
> LEH entry for DRASSOMAI
> 
> Lv 2:2; 5:12; Nm 5:26; Ps 2:12; Jdt 13:7 4:41 to 
> grasp, to lay hold of
> [tino"] Jdt 13:7; to take (by handfuls)  [ti] Lv
2:2;
>     *Ps 2:12 dravxasqe -nsw or ns¹w to accept  for 
> MT nshqw kiss
>     Cf. DUBARLE 1955, 510-511; HELBING 1928, 128

Yes it does.  Any ideas how it might have come about? 
That's what has me stumped.

KOL TUV LAKHEM,
-- Michael Millier

 
> on 5/27/03 11:09 AM, Michael Millier wrote:
> 
> > A (hopefully) quick question: what are your 
> > educated
> > speculations as to what the translator(s) of the 
> > LXX's
> > rendition of Psa. 2:12(DRAXASTHE PAIDEIAS, "[you 
> > all]
> > trap instruction"?) was reading in the Hebrew.  I,
> > for
> > the life of me, can't come up with a satisfactory
> > back-translation that explains the substantive
> > differences of wording and concepts between the
LXX
> > and MT there.  Can anyone help?
> >
> > -- Michael Millier

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