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["Bryant J. Williams III" <bjwvmw AT com-pair.net>]

Dear Israel,

Please send me the chart off-line please.

Thank You,

En Xpistw,

Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
----- Original Message -----
From: "Israel A. Cohen" <izzy_cohen AT bmc.com>
To: "Biblical Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 5:56 AM
Subject: RE: Isaiah 40:22 - Circle of the earth


> On Thu 18 Jul 2002 (22:48:09 +0200), peter_kirk AT sil.org wrote:
> > Surely "God of Israel" doesn't mean "God of the land of Israel"?
> > Israel was originally a person, then a nation, and only thirdly
> > a land. So "God of Israel" was originally "God of Jacob", then
> > "God of the people of Israel", long before they even lived in
> > the land of Israel. The concept of a god of a particular
> > geographical area does not seem to have been an Israelite one.
> ================================================================
>
> Copy of an email previously posted on the PsyArt list:
>
> > Rebecca Meredith wrote:
> >> The most intriguing thing is that, in neither the KJ translation
> >> or a more modern one referenced is the angel called an angel.
> >> He is called a man (whom Jacob seems to have felt was God) or
> >> "one."  I'm curious as to where the angel concept came from.
> >
> > I think two stories have merged. In the first story, Jacob
> > dreams of a ladder. Angels of G-d [MaL?aKHaY ?eLoHiM, ? = aleph]
> > go up and down it. [How do they go up before they come down?]
> >
> > Ja'cob's lad'der  n.
> > 1. a ladder seen by Jacob in a dream,
> >    reaching from the earth to heaven. Gen. 28:12.
> >
> > In the second story, Jacob does not dream. He wrestles with a man
> > [?iSH] who declares that Jacob's name will be Israel [YiSRa?eL]
> > because "you (Jacob) have fought with God [?eLoHiM] and with men
> > [?aNaSHiM]". However, Rebecca Meredith's curiosity is well-founded.
> > Random House contains:
> >
> > Israel
> > 3. name given to Jacob after he wrestled with the angel. Gen. 32:28.
> >
> > Notwithstanding the "declaration" above, Jacob continues to be called
> > Jacob, even in the very next sentence. I changed my own name (from
> > Irving) to Israel with considerably more success.
> >
> > Jacob called the place (where he fought) Peniel [PNi?eL] "because I
> > have seen G-d face [PaNiM] to face". In the next sentence Jacob
> > "passed over" PNoo?eL. There should be some Rabbinic commentary on
> > this change in spelling. Compare pneuma = the vital spirit; the soul
> > < Gk pneûma lit., breath, wind; akin to pneîn = to blow, breathe].
> >
> > My own interpretation of PNi?eL/PNoo?eL is that it is G-d's
> > "pin"/penis. It matches my interpretation of YiSRa?eL (that's me !)
> > as that body part which gives delight [?oSHeR] to g-d [?eL] if it
> > is YaSHaR = straight, upright.
> >
> > This corresponds with the name CaNa3aN (3 = aiyin), a reversal
> > of (the body part that gives) 3oNeG = pleasure [to Aphrodite].
> >
> > I suspect Jacob fought on behalf of kHermes and his men against
> > Aphrodite and her men. He was successful because, immediately
> > afterwards, Jacob has the courage to meet his brother and lots
> > of presents (spoils of war?) to give him.
> >
> > A near reversal of kHer-mes = messen-ger yields Mercu(ris)
> > from MaL?aKH = angel/messenger + RaTZ = running. [Mercury
> > is the Roman counterpart of Hermes.]
> >
> > Aside: Tacitus says that the chief diety of the Germani tribes
> > was Mercury. He was writing for a Roman audience. Calling that
> > deity kHermes suggests an origin for the name Germani...
> > and suggests that they originated in an area that was probably
> > in the northern part of the map of kHermes (with its center/navel
> > at Mt. kHermon). I bet King kHiram [I Kings 5] of Lebanon would
> > know about this. LeBaNon is a reversal of Skt nabhila = navel.
> > Compare Nepal, the navel/center of a Buddhist map!
> >
> > Note that the Hebrew word for a dream, kHaLoM with a het, is a
> > near reversal of MaL?aKH = angel with a khaf. kHaLaM = to dream,
> > to see visions. It also means: to be healthy, be strong. Perhaps
> > the ancients knew there was a connection between dreaming and
> > being healthy? Or is this just a coincidence?
> >
> > sand-man (sand'man )  n. pl. <-men>
> > 1. a being of fairy tales and folklore who puts sand in
> >    the eyes of children to make them sleepy.
> >
> > Australian aborigines "paint" their dreams in sand.
> >
> > The Hebrew word for sand is kHoL (with a het), the first
> > two letters of kHaLoM = dream.
> >
> > This is enough dreamy nonsense for one email.
> >
> > Israel "izzy" Cohen
> > izzy_cohen AT bmc.com
> =========================================================================
>
> peter_kirk:
> > 1. Israel was originally a person, then a nation, and only thirdly
> > a land. <snip> 2. The concept of a god of a particular geographical
> > area does not seem to have been an Israelite one.
>
> Anthropomorphic Maps
> ====================
>
> There is a lot of evidence that the (originally) Phoenician names for
> geographic areas in Asia minor and north Africa are based on the names
> of body parts. The body in Asia minor is probably that of Hermes, who
> used to live atop Mt. Hermon before he moved to Mt. Olympus. His name
> is also inscribed near his foot, at the Strait of Hormuz. The body
> in north Africa is probably that of Aphrodite (who gives her name to
> Africa).
>
> I agree with statement 2 above, but I disagree with statement 1.
> I think (the land of) Israel was originally the male member of
> Hermes' body. Previously it had been the female member (Canaan
> ~ Latin cunnus) of Aphrodite's body. Geographic co-habitation.
>
> Ergo. Israel was first a geographic area; secondly another name
> for Jacob; and thirdly a name for the Children of Israel/Israelites.
>
> I can send a chart that illustrates these two anthropomorphic maps
> by email to any list member (no pun intended).
>
> ciao,
>
> Israel "izzy" Cohen
> izzy_cohen AT bmc.com
>
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