Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Noel O'Riordan" <nor AT iol.ie>]

> > <Bill>
> > "You shall not die" from the fruit was true, but "you shall die" by
being
> > denied the tree of Life is true and shows the serpent to be a liar "from
> the
> > beginning".
>
> Well this brings us back to whether not you believe that 'on that day you
> shall die' refers to a single day or to a thousand years, on that point I
> have made myself plain already.
>
>
> > <Bill>
> > It was poisonous. And it did, indirectly, bring about his death.
>
> If it was poison how did it indirectly bring about his death,
Poison=death,
> not feeling faint and banging your head.
>
>
> > <Noel>
> > Adam seeing Eve eating from the tree sees that she does not die, (Eve
> > is here playing the food taster role :-) ) hence he will not die, so why
> not
> > eat?
> >
> > <Bill>
> >Now that is a fool's perspective! Hey, I stole a car and got away with
it -
> > why not steal another?! There are no consequences!
>
> Well of course you are now getting into the argument about wisdom etc,
Adam
> saw Eve eat with no apparent consequence, maybe he thought that he could
> also eat.
>
>
> > <Noel>
> > You could even argue that what God said to Adam was not a prohibition
but
> a
> > warning, and maybe Adam thought God was just plain mistaken when he said
> > that he would die.
> >
> > <Bill>
> > The serpent's line, less eloquently stated.
>
> But quite feasible.
>
>  <Bill>
> > Wrong? Do you believe in right and wrong?
>
> > While you may, and apparently do, hate Christian doctrine, I don't think
> > this is the forum to decry it, shun it, or campaign against it.
>
> Nor is it the forum to campaign for it!
>
> Lets look at some facts here!
>
> The paradise narrative IS one of the most damaging of all biblical texts,
it
> has placed Eve, representing woman, in the role of the great temptress, it
> has provided Man with a biblical justification for his dominance over
woman.
>
> Have you read this in the new testament?
>
> 'I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she
must
> be silent.  For Adam was formed first, then Eve.  And Adam was not the one
> deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner' I Tim
> 2:12-14
>
> Adam was not deceived he knowingly sinned yet the writer seeks to
castigate
> women.
>
> I think any non-prejudiced reading does not require any elaboration on
that
> piece of 'Christian writing'
>
> I shall not even go into the doctrine of original sin, which has caused
such
> terrible sorrow to so many parents whose children died before baptism.
>
> Its only words, the doctrine should be left out, which is what I try to
do.
>
> I apologize to the list if I am impinging into the area of doctrine and
> theology
>
> regards
>
> Noel O'Riordan
> Conscripted Catholic
>
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