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- From: "Dave Washburn" <dwashbur AT nyx.net>
- To: b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu
- Subject: Re: WAYYIQTOL and QATAL
- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:01:23 -0700
Cees van Veelen wrote:
> >Cees van Veelen (not being familiar with your language, I'd be
> >interested in knowing how to pronounce your name),
> Cees - like Americans say 'Case'
> van - the 'a' sounds like the British say 'a' in the word 'after'
> Veelen: the letters 'ee' as in Cees, the letters 'en' like the English
> article 'an'
Thank you. My view is that a person's name is an important part of
their self-identification and sense of self-worth, so I try to both
remember people's names and pronounce them right. So "Veelen"
is pronounced much like the vowel patterns in "Beethoven,"
correct?
> >> How is this construction to be evaluated? The only thing I can imagine
> >> is that the chiastic word order and the shift from WAYYIQTOL to QATAL
> >> is to create (or emphasize) a contrast: God called the light Day, _but_
> >> the darkness He called Night.
> >
> >Yes! And this is precisely what my approach to the verb forms
> >predicts. There's a syntactic connection in the use of the qatal,
> >one of contrast enhanced by the chiastic structure (though on
> >chiasmus in general, I tend to follow F. I. Andersen's view that
> >chiasmus draws the two clauses together into a single
> >semantic/pragmatic unit and tighten their association with each
> >other - see the relevant sections in his "Sentence in Biblical
> >Hebrew"). The wayyiqtol signals a syntactically independent
> >thought that is not dependent or otherwise syntactically connected
> >with the preceding clause, and the qatal signals a syntactic
> >connection with the preceding clause - in this case, contrast.
>
> Yes, I understand your view. Before I wrote my original post I checked
> a lot of translations - nowhere I found the contrast between the two
> parts of the sentence, they all connect the first and the second part
> with the word 'and' (or german or dutch equivalents).
Agreed, and it's mildly irritating to those of us who know better ;-)
Have you read Andersen's book?
> >Excellent observation, and since I haven't seen your name in a post
> >before, welcome!
>
> Thank you. (I have been reading a long time though)
I thought so, but I wanted to welcome you to the fray nonetheless
:-)
Dave Washburn
http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur
Teach me your way, O Lord, and I will walk in your truth;
give me an undivided heart that I may fear your name.
Psalm 86:11
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WAYYIQTOL and QATAL,
Cees van Veelen, 01/19/2000
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: WAYYIQTOL and QATAL, Dave Washburn, 01/20/2000
- Re: WAYYIQTOL and QATAL, Galia Hatav, 01/20/2000
- Re: WAYYIQTOL and QATAL, Alviero Niccacci, 01/20/2000
- Re: WAYYIQTOL and QATAL, Cees van Veelen, 01/21/2000
- Re: WAYYIQTOL and QATAL, Cees van Veelen, 01/21/2000
- Re: WAYYIQTOL and QATAL, Dave Washburn, 01/21/2000
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