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- From: peter_kirk AT sil.org
- To: <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: Re: JEPD Evidence
- Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:18:57 -0500
POINT 1: So are you saying that Moses (or whoever) was such a careless
editor that he just didn't notice that he had left doublets in his
text, even when they were as close together as Genesis 6:2 and 4? And
despite that he managed to produce such a brilliant literary work?
Talk about schizophrenic authors! OK, I admit that the rather odd
structure of this passage needs explaining, but I expect there are
other ways to do that e.g. by interpreting 'ASHER in 6:4 to mean
something like "as a result of".
POINT 2: As for the divisions by the "toldot" formula, is it evidence
of the multiple authorship of this E-mail (before the "Reply
Separator"!) that there is a repeated formulaic heading "POINT n"?
POINT 3 (relevant to some other recent postings): Is it evidence that
a different Peter Kirk wrote this E-mail that I am adopting a
tongue-in-cheek combative style for this one rather than the more
academic style of some of my other recent postings?
Peter Kirk
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Subject: JEPD Evidence
Author: <jonathan.bailey AT gmx.de> at Internet
Date: 17/12/1999 17:19
The title is misleading, as I am not putting forth evidence of the Wellhausen
di
vision of
things, but I do see multiple authors in Genesis, and would like to put a few
of
them on
the list.
First, though, one must be clear about the term "author". A
redacteur/translator
is
really not too far from being an author who works from several sources, and
perh
aps
would merit further clarification on this list, perhaps by those who have
been m
ore
successful at articulating detailed statements than I. :-) I intend to put
som
e things
on the floor that suggest multiple "authors", though I am not intending to
aband
on the
view that Genesis is a unified composition with one author, Moses, who made
use
of
a variety of sources.
One piece of evidence for multiple sources in Genesis is the spooky "toldot"
phr
ase, in
some cases accompanied by words such as sefer (Gen 5:1) which seem to go to
extra effort to make the preceding or following segment that it heads appear
to
be a
separate piece of writing. The toldot phrases do topologically divide the
book.
Each
toldot phrase enclosed text is a story unto itself.
Evidence number two are doublets. A professor of mine, Baruch Halpern, made
the
statement that "without doublets, documentary hypothesis falls apart". Now I
am
not
talking about supposed doublets here where the doubled story is a
thematically
independant work (I would not, for example call Gen 1 and Gen 2 a doublet of
the
same thing), but rather instances where the repeated text does not build a
liter
ary
unit. Take the nephilim passages at the beginning of Gen 6. That is one of
the b
est
doublets I have found. Anyway, I would like to see how one accounts for
doublets
without mentioning compiling of varied source materials. Most of the answers
tha
t I
have found are rather theological, and claim that the doublets reveal hidden
spi
ritual
pearls for the reader. Now I do admit that i have found a few such pearls in
dou
blets
during my lifetime, but I cannot convince myself of the idea that Moses (or
whoe
ver
wrote/redacted) Genesis was saying (in every instance): "Let me write this in
a
wierd
way, twice, so I can hide a few spiritual gems in there." Now I might buy the
id
ea that
God, using Moses' (or whoever's) redactional efforts, stuck the pearls in the
te
xt (if
there is indeed a hidden mystery there in the first place), but I think that
the
concious
concern on Moses' (or whoever's) mind was more along the lines of trying to
figu
re
out how to accurately preserve source materials.
So these evidences take me a long way toward thinking that a single
author/redac
teur
made use of source material to such a conservative degree that the original
sour
ce
material still has visible traces in the present text.
Now I do not mean to defend the historical documentary hypothesis, but I
think t
hat
the book of Genesis presents evidence that documents were involved. I would
be h
ard
pressed to say that Genesis came from a single author, but would be more
comfortable with the term single redacteur/translator. Now this statement
doesn'
t
hurt the evangelical position, in my opinion, because it allows our present
text
to show
traces of source material that is substantially OLDER than it's redacteur,
who m
ost
fundamentalists/evangelicals would name Moses.
Anyway, those are my comments. There is evidence for A documentary
hypothesis,
though not necessarily the one Wellhausen sold to us.
Jonathan Bailey
Hochschule fr Jdische Studien
Heidelberg
-
JEPD Evidence,
Jonathan Bailey, 12/17/1999
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: JEPD Evidence, peter_kirk, 12/18/1999
- Re: JEPD Evidence, Noel O'Riordan, 12/18/1999
- RE: JEPD Evidence, Niels Peter Lemche, 12/18/1999
- Re[2]: JEPD Evidence, Jonathan Bailey, 12/18/1999
- RE: Re[2]: JEPD Evidence, Niels Peter Lemche, 12/18/1999
- JEPD evidence, Ruthy & Baruch, 12/18/1999
- Re: Re[2]: JEPD Evidence, Ruthy & Baruch, 12/18/1999
- Re: JEPD Evidence, Jonathan D. Safren, 12/18/1999
- Re[2]: JEPD Evidence, peter_kirk, 12/18/1999
- Re[3]: JEPD Evidence, peter_kirk, 12/18/1999
- Re[4]: JEPD Evidence, Jonathan Bailey, 12/18/1999
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