[TypicalGirls] Riot Grrrl book
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dpbailey at att.net
Fri Sep 14 17:10:30 EDT 2007
You ... you mean "Kelsey Guntharp" isn't a Jewish name? Oy vey!
(Neither is Dan Bailey, of course, but my mother's father was a member of the tribe.)
-------------- Original message from "Kelsey Guntharp" <kbguntha at hotmail.com>: --------------
> i hope no one takes offense to the anne frank reference. i apologize if so.
> i don't mean to take
> a holocaust victim lightly in the least. i was just looking for a point of
> reference with the personal becoming public.
> sorry, wrote this quickly too. at work.. oops. :)
> >From: "Kelsey Guntharp"
> >Reply-To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa
> >To: typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org
> >Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] Riot Grrrl book
> >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:18:10 -0700
> >I totally understand where you and Layla are coming from. I think that
> >being there in the beginning of something that was blown up and out and
> >under lends an attachment that would definitely lead to a desire for
> >privacy and personal memories.
> >On the other hand I also feel like there is no use in fighting the
> >inevitable result of this technologically advanced uh, situation. All we
> >can really do is try and be now. show love. play music...
> >i think it's great that we have such a wide variety of "news" outlets
> >available to us. personal, published, music, writing, art... even medical.
> >it's amazing and inspiring. and maybe a bit scary on many levels... and
> >yes, it seems like maybe people are getting caught up in the ephemera. but
> >shit! this is the first time we can actually FIND some ephemera! and who
> >knows what great directions this might take future generations. Man, i know
> >this is a por comparison, but Anne Frank's Diary was meant for HER eyes
> >only. but look what good it has done. especially with the last generations
> >of living witnesses dying.
> >anyway. i think the future of documentation is so interesting and valuable.
> >and scary. did i say that already? but inevitable!
> >>From: "Tobi Vail"
> >>Reply-To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa
> >> 1975-1980s)"
> >>To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa
> >>Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] Riot Grrrl book
> >>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:05:27 -0700
> >>well,,,there is a difference in perspective....if you made something
> >>when you were 18 with the intent of 5 people reading it, would you
> >>want it on the internet when you are 38? not necsesarily...i'm not
> >>opposed to having some of my old work out there, i'm intending to make
> >>it available on my own terms, but i have no interest in making a
> >>fanzine 'available for download'...to me, fanzines are all about
> >>context....those zines were not made for everyone...they were made in
> >>a community for a community and often that was a community of less
> >>than 20 people...i don't find that any more elitist than going over to
> >>someone's house for dinner rather than having a banquet. obviously the
> >>conversations you have with your friends over dinner are going to be
> >>different than a speech you'd give at an awards ceremony...sorry if
> >>this is warped by my personal persepctive/neurosis, but there you have
> >>it...i also love ephermal art and view fanzines in the same way...
> >>the thing about saying that young people missed out because they were
> >>young doesn't hold up because anyone can make a fanzine. those zines
> >>aren't any better than anything anyone could make right now. that is
> >>why the fanzine is a great art form. it's there for the taking...
> >>time to get in the van! nice to see everyone in the bay area...hi layla!
> >>ps there is actually an overabundance of academic writing on riot
> >>grrl, but some of it is good, just search online or on jstor or
> >>something like that and you'll get overwhelmed. it's not like people
> >>haven't archived it and analyzed it to death already....what needs to
> >>happen is another movement, not more documentation, well,,,,that's
> >>more than my two cents, but there you have it
> >>On 9/14/07, mike at appelstein.com wrote:
> >> > I understand what you're saying, and I definitely understand the
> >> > tendency to look at the past through rose-colored glasses. But at the
> >> > same time, why should latecomers miss out on inspiring
> >> > art/music/writing just because they happened to be too young, or just
> >> > otherwise occupied, the first time? I don't think there's anything
> >> > wrong with exploring the past, especially if it helps inspire the
> >> > future. Perhaps a balance of past and present works best.
> >> >
> >> > -Mike
> >> > mike at appelstein.com
> >> > http://djearlybird.blogspot.com
> >> > http://www.youngmarblegiants.com
> >> >
> >> > Quoting Layla Gibbon :
> >> >
> >> > > One of the things I like about punk culture is that it
> >> > > is transient. It kind of annoys me that suddenly now
> >> > > everyone is so reverent towards the ephemera, people
> >> > > bidding on ebay for fanzines and demos that would have
> >> > > disappeared in previous generations.
> >> >
> >> >
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