[TypicalGirls] Riot Grrrl book

dpbailey at att.net dpbailey at att.net
Fri Sep 14 17:10:30 EDT 2007


You ... you mean "Kelsey Guntharp" isn't a Jewish name? Oy vey!

(Neither is Dan Bailey, of course, but my mother's father was a member of the tribe.)

Dan


-------------- Original message from "Kelsey Guntharp" <kbguntha at hotmail.com>: -------------- 


> 
> i hope no one takes offense to the anne frank reference. i apologize if so. 
> i don't mean to take 
> a holocaust victim lightly in the least. i was just looking for a point of 
> reference with the personal becoming public. 
> 
> sorry, wrote this quickly too. at work.. oops. :) 
> 
> ~Kelsey 
> 
> >From: "Kelsey Guntharp" 
> >Reply-To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa 
> >1975-1980s)" 
> >To: typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org 
> >Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] Riot Grrrl book 
> >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:18:10 -0700 
> > 
> >I totally understand where you and Layla are coming from. I think that 
> >being there in the beginning of something that was blown up and out and 
> >under lends an attachment that would definitely lead to a desire for 
> >privacy and personal memories. 
> >On the other hand I also feel like there is no use in fighting the 
> >inevitable result of this technologically advanced uh, situation. All we 
> >can really do is try and be now. show love. play music... 
> >i think it's great that we have such a wide variety of "news" outlets 
> >available to us. personal, published, music, writing, art... even medical. 
> >it's amazing and inspiring. and maybe a bit scary on many levels... and 
> >yes, it seems like maybe people are getting caught up in the ephemera. but 
> >shit! this is the first time we can actually FIND some ephemera! and who 
> >knows what great directions this might take future generations. Man, i know 
> >this is a por comparison, but Anne Frank's Diary was meant for HER eyes 
> >only. but look what good it has done. especially with the last generations 
> >of living witnesses dying. 
> >anyway. i think the future of documentation is so interesting and valuable. 
> >and scary. did i say that already? but inevitable! 
> > 
> >~Kelsey 
> > 
> >>From: "Tobi Vail" 
> >>Reply-To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa 
> >> 1975-1980s)" 
> >>To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa 
> >>1975-1980s)" 
> >>Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] Riot Grrrl book 
> >>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:05:27 -0700 
> >> 
> >>well,,,there is a difference in perspective....if you made something 
> >>when you were 18 with the intent of 5 people reading it, would you 
> >>want it on the internet when you are 38? not necsesarily...i'm not 
> >>opposed to having some of my old work out there, i'm intending to make 
> >>it available on my own terms, but i have no interest in making a 
> >>fanzine 'available for download'...to me, fanzines are all about 
> >>context....those zines were not made for everyone...they were made in 
> >>a community for a community and often that was a community of less 
> >>than 20 people...i don't find that any more elitist than going over to 
> >>someone's house for dinner rather than having a banquet. obviously the 
> >>conversations you have with your friends over dinner are going to be 
> >>different than a speech you'd give at an awards ceremony...sorry if 
> >>this is warped by my personal persepctive/neurosis, but there you have 
> >>it...i also love ephermal art and view fanzines in the same way... 
> >> 
> >>the thing about saying that young people missed out because they were 
> >>young doesn't hold up because anyone can make a fanzine. those zines 
> >>aren't any better than anything anyone could make right now. that is 
> >>why the fanzine is a great art form. it's there for the taking... 
> >> 
> >>time to get in the van! nice to see everyone in the bay area...hi layla! 
> >> 
> >>x 
> >>tobi 
> >> 
> >>ps there is actually an overabundance of academic writing on riot 
> >>grrl, but some of it is good, just search online or on jstor or 
> >>something like that and you'll get overwhelmed. it's not like people 
> >>haven't archived it and analyzed it to death already....what needs to 
> >>happen is another movement, not more documentation, well,,,,that's 
> >>more than my two cents, but there you have it 
> >> 
> >>On 9/14/07, mike at appelstein.com wrote: 
> >> > I understand what you're saying, and I definitely understand the 
> >> > tendency to look at the past through rose-colored glasses. But at the 
> >> > same time, why should latecomers miss out on inspiring 
> >> > art/music/writing just because they happened to be too young, or just 
> >> > otherwise occupied, the first time? I don't think there's anything 
> >> > wrong with exploring the past, especially if it helps inspire the 
> >> > future. Perhaps a balance of past and present works best. 
> >> > 
> >> > -Mike 
> >> > mike at appelstein.com 
> >> > http://djearlybird.blogspot.com 
> >> > http://www.youngmarblegiants.com 
> >> > 
> >> > Quoting Layla Gibbon : 
> >> > 
> >> > > One of the things I like about punk culture is that it 
> >> > > is transient. It kind of annoys me that suddenly now 
> >> > > everyone is so reverent towards the ephemera, people 
> >> > > bidding on ebay for fanzines and demos that would have 
> >> > > disappeared in previous generations. 
> >> > 
> >> > 
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