[TypicalGirls] Riot Grrrl book

mike at appelstein.com mike at appelstein.com
Fri Sep 14 16:42:20 EDT 2007

All good points.  And I wasn't really thinking about the 50-copy  
photocopy zines, anyway; it's totally understandable that the authors  
would be uncomfortable seeing them anthologized or uploaded.  I'm  
thinking more about the actual music that came out during that era -  
the cassettes, 7-inches and LPs.  It seems to me that the songs and  
live shows were generally meant for larger audiences than the zines.   
It seems a shame to deprive today's youth of Viva Knieval, Heavens To  
Betsy's "Direction" single or the _A Wonderful Treat_ cassette, for  

(And no offense taken on the Anne Frank comparison. :))


Quoting Kelsey Guntharp <kbguntha at hotmail.com>:

> I totally understand where you and Layla are coming from. I think that
> being there in the beginning of something that was blown up and out and
> under lends an attachment that would definitely lead to a desire for
> privacy and personal memories.
> On the other hand I also feel like there is no use in fighting the
> inevitable result of this technologically advanced uh, situation. All
> we can really do is try and be now. show love. play music...
> i think it's great that we have such a wide variety of "news" outlets
> available to us. personal, published, music, writing, art... even
> medical. it's amazing and inspiring. and maybe a bit scary on many
> levels... and yes, it seems like maybe people are getting caught up in
> the ephemera. but shit! this is the first time we can actually FIND
> some ephemera! and who knows what great directions this might take
> future generations. Man, i know this is a por comparison, but Anne
> Frank's Diary was meant for HER eyes only. but look what good it has
> done. especially with the last generations of living witnesses dying.
> anyway. i think the future of documentation is so interesting and
> valuable. and scary. did i say that already? but inevitable!
> ~Kelsey
>> From: "Tobi Vail" <tobivail at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music  
>>  (Circa  1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music   
>> (Circa  1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] Riot Grrrl book
>> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:05:27 -0700
>> well,,,there is a difference in perspective....if you made something
>> when you were 18 with the intent of 5 people reading it, would you
>> want it on the internet when you are 38? not necsesarily...i'm not
>> opposed to having some of my old work out there, i'm intending to make
>> it available on my own terms, but i have no interest in making a
>> fanzine 'available for download'...to me, fanzines are all about
>> context....those zines were not made for everyone...they were made in
>> a community for a community and often that was a community of less
>> than 20 people...i don't find that any more elitist than going over to
>> someone's house for dinner rather than having a banquet. obviously the
>> conversations you have with your friends over dinner are going to be
>> different than a speech you'd give at an awards ceremony...sorry if
>> this is warped by my personal persepctive/neurosis, but there you have
>> it...i also love ephermal art and view fanzines in the same way...
>> the thing about saying that young people missed out because they were
>> young doesn't hold up because anyone can make a fanzine. those zines
>> aren't any better than anything anyone could make right now. that is
>> why the fanzine is a great art form. it's there for the taking...
>> time to get in the van! nice to see everyone in the bay area...hi layla!
>> x
>> tobi
>> ps there is actually an overabundance of academic writing on riot
>> grrl, but some of it is good, just search online or on jstor or
>> something like that and you'll get overwhelmed. it's not like people
>> haven't archived it and analyzed it to death already....what needs to
>> happen is another movement, not more documentation, well,,,,that's
>> more than my two cents, but there you have it
>> On 9/14/07, mike at appelstein.com <mike at appelstein.com> wrote:
>>> I understand what you're saying, and I definitely understand the
>>> tendency to look at the past through rose-colored glasses.  But at the
>>> same time, why should latecomers miss out on inspiring
>>> art/music/writing just because they happened to be too young, or just
>>> otherwise occupied, the first time?  I don't think there's anything
>>> wrong with exploring the past, especially if it helps inspire the
>>> future.  Perhaps a balance of past and present works best.
>>> -Mike
>>> mike at appelstein.com
>>> http://djearlybird.blogspot.com
>>> http://www.youngmarblegiants.com
>>> Quoting Layla Gibbon <lpgibbon at yahoo.com>:
>>> > One of the things I like about punk culture is that it
>>> > is transient. It kind of annoys me that suddenly now
>>> > everyone is so reverent towards the ephemera, people
>>> > bidding on ebay for fanzines and demos that would have
>>> > disappeared in previous generations.
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