[TypicalGirls] Riot Grrrl book

Kelli Miller kelli at goodgrrrldesign.com
Fri Sep 14 12:58:09 EDT 2007

I get what your saying, but I totally disagree. Because someone  
crosses over into the world of mainstream approval does not void them  
of their roots, so to say Beth Ditto doesn't count is a real slap in  
the face to her/Gossips history before, say 2006.

It is important to document these movements. All history is told  
through some slanted lens and why is it such an awful idea to tell it  
through this one? I think hoping for traces of indie/DIY culture to  
disappear is equally nostalgic and extremely elitist. It's holding on  
to a secret memory that "shouldn't" be shared. Be sure this still  
happens, obviously not every bit of ephemera will be catalogued and  
replicated 10 years after its prime. What's wrong with building a  
history of subcultural movements and allowing that to inspire future  
generations/misfits/girls/boys/whatever??? And honestly, if there is  
a qualified academic willing to write about this stuff, from my  
perspective, that adds a certain amount of legitimacy to the hard  
work that was done during those times. Of course it's not easy to  
find alternate ways to be creative, to get your work out there,  
etc.... it's F'ING hard, damn near impossible sometimes. If  
documentation like this stuff ceased to exists the blueprint gets  
lost with your 1985 mixtapes.

On Sep 14, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Layla Gibbon wrote:

> Funny that they have the music editor of ID magazine
> (well she was at the time.. Susan Corrigan) but no
> members of any bands or zine writers involved in the
> movement as contributors. So lame. (Beth Ditto, though
> I am happy she is a pop star now, doesn;t count!)
> Everything written about Riot Grrl except for the
> zines themselves is either written from an academic
> perspective or a rock critic perspective. Outsiders
> writing about a subculture they were absent from but
> is useful to them career wise.
> One of the things I like about punk culture is that it
> is transient. It kind of annoys me that suddenly now
> everyone is so reverent towards the ephemera, people
> bidding on ebay for fanzines and demos that would have
> disappeared in previous generations. Not that girl
> culture disappearing is a good thing necessarily, but
> I feel like people need to make their own culture
> rather than worshipping one that they missed out on,
> then trying to replicate it. I played in an English
> riot grrrl band (skinned teen) and remember finding
> the English scene kind of lacking, I loved Huggy Bear
> and the Slampt Underground people, but generally felt
> kind of exploited by the music press (we were all
> teenage girls in the band) and found most of the other
> people involved just there for the ride rather than
> trying to actually make their own scene.
> I know England has a weird underground culture, I am
> sure it's different now, I haven't lived there for
> years, but when I was younger everything was instantly
> written about by the NME or the melody maker, and it
> was impossible to exist outside of their watch. Our
> first ever show was written up in the NME and the
> melody maker, which is so ridiculous! I can't imagine
> a punk band here getting their first show written
> about in like Spin, we played with a Huggy Bear side
> project called the Furbelows so it wasn't even a 'big
> name' event. Just endless vampire attacks. We put on
> an exhibition at the ICA which I can't even remember
> the name of now, but one of the papers sent one of
> their women writers armed with fake zines about how
> empowered she felt because she had her period at the
> same time as so many other women, just stupid mock 70s
> wimmin's meeting stuff... Everything we did was met
> with laughter or disdain, people came to shows to fuck
> with girls, it was just another thing for the Oxbridge
> educated soho media crowd to mock... I didn't meean to
> write this much!
> I just get so irritated when everyone has to write a
> book about something they weren't even there for and
> probably know nothing about, because they probably are
> either rock journos or academics who were not involved
> in any kind of DIY or underground punk culture. I like
> that each generation's zines and tapes  disappear and
> are randomly rediscovered and repositioned, but I wish
> people weren't so starry eyed and nostalgic about
> something they missed out on, it was hard work and
> really confrontational/violent, well from my
> perspective at least, but I guess we weren't playing
> 'punk' shows with 'enlightened' audiences because that
> doesn't really exist in England, . It wasn't like a
> constant group hug in a safe space with everyone
> talking about how great ESG are!
>  girls should make their own riot grrrl but call it
> something else
> Also: I know this is really epic already, but I wanted
> to point out that Mika Miko and FInally Punk are not
> super into being considered post riot grrrl and think
> that it's a lazy reference. Neither of them really
> write political songs... I have more to say about this
> but I have to go to a dr's appointment plus I am bored
> of trying to explain it somehow as I am not sure I
> have exactly said what I meant to here....
> Layla
> --- Marc Masters <marc at crankautomotive.com> wrote:
>> Apologies if this has been mentioned here before,
>> but there's a book on
>> Riot Grrrl coming out via UK publisher Black Dog in
>> October.  For more
>> info...:
> http://www.blackdogonline.com/all-books/riot-grrrl.html
>> http://www.myspace.com/revolutiongirlstylenow
>> Marc M.
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