[TypicalGirls] Random Observation

Lani Smith LSmith at minlib.net
Wed Jun 20 11:40:03 EDT 2007


I'm glad you mentioned that book:
> I'm curious to know what others think of Reynolds and
> Press's The Sex Revolts: Gender, Rebellion, and Rock n
> Roll? I had mixed feelings about that book...

I read it a while ago while doing research on female record collectors.
The book bugged me too, while I found little reason to be critical of "Rip
It Up", though I had trouble articulating why. I'll have to look at it
again. Maybe it's just that make *pronouncements* and *statements* about
things that seem less than clear, and that kind of tone goes down easier
when talking about a band or music.
- Lani

-----Original Message-----
From: Emily Arkin <viole_falushe at yahoo.com>
To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa 
1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:51:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] Random Observation

> I second that emotion re: New Bloods. I missed them live
> here but have been listening to their EP ever since. I
> think TGers would definitely enjoy!
> 
> I agree that music is absolutely an expression of your
> identity including gender (and I wasn't accusing anyone on
> this list of overgeneralizing/stereotyping, nor do I think
> we shouldn't talk about gender relates to music. It's more
> I feel like I've heard too much about masculine/feminine
> dichotomies in music criticism in general over the course
> of life and sometimes it sets my teeth on edge).
> 
> I'm curious to know what others think of Reynolds and
> Press's The Sex Revolts: Gender, Rebellion, and Rock n
> Roll? I had mixed feelings about that book...I loved so
> many of the bands covered and thought it had interesting
> points but I also found I vehemently disagreed with many of
> the arguments made. It's been a while since I read it
> tho...
> 
> Emily
> 
> --- Kelsey Guntharp <kbguntha at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > oh and speaking of, new band with violin, New Bloods?
> > Totally amazing:
> > http://myspace.com/thenewbloods
> > 
> > ~K
> > 
> > 
> > >From: "Kelsey Guntharp" <kbguntha at hotmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: "Typical Girls: Women in
> > Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa  
> > >1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > >To: typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org
> > >Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] Random Observation
> > >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:51:58 -0700
> > >
> > >
> > >In my opinion, I think that it's just that all of those
> > bands added a
> > >"female" perspective to the music they were creating.
> > And that was part of
> > >the point of it. There is something strange to me about
> > picking things out
> > >like this as if they are weird. I know we don't want to
> > divide the sexes 
> > >but
> > >there is something specific about a woman's experience
> > that I think most
> > >women can relate to, whether they identify with it or
> > not (and i think a 
> > >lot
> > >of us obviously don't). And learning string instruments
> > perhaps was a
> > >feminine thing, particularly back then (seems like its
> > much more acceptable
> > >to learn traditional rock instruments these days?). And
> > it's because of
> > >incorporating these experiences that we have these
> > awesomely amazing bands
> > >that changed the face of rock. I don't see it as
> > stereotyping, and in a way
> > >I think not recognizing that detaches us.
> > >
> > >I hope no one gets me wrong here, I in no way think that
> > being a woman
> > >specifies someone to a particular style.  But I do think
> > music is about
> > >expressing oneself and as women, like I said, there are
> > a lot of 
> > >stereotypes
> > >and expectations that we carry with us everyday,
> > everywhere. You can't deny
> > >it. We're just typical girls. (ha ha. couldn't resist
> > that one.)
> > >
> > >My 2 cents.
> > >
> > >~Kelsey
> > >
> > > >From: Chuck Warner <chuck at hyped2death.com>
> > > >Reply-To: "Typical Girls: Women in
> > Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music 
> > >(Circa
> > > >1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > >To: "Typical Girls: Women in
> > Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa
> > > >1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] Random Observation
> > > >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:18:35 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Wow--
> > > >
> > > >This is quite interesting. Between a boatload of
> > late-60's-70s bands
> > > >from Curved Air to It's a Beautiful Day to Dan Hicks
> > --all the way up
> > > >to Dixie Chicks ;o), there are/were TONS of bands with
> > female singers
> > > >and violinists. Often one and the same. Laurie
> > Anderson, Tiny Town,
> > > >Dambuilders, Tiny Lights, Rebby Sharp, Passionel, Hugo
> > Largo, Ed's
> > > >Redeeming Qualities, Scorched Earth Policy +++
> > > >
> > > >Immediate memory fails me on many others, but the
> > statistical
> > > >correlation between women in bands and violins, violas
> > and cellos is
> > > >through the roof.  Theories?
> > > >
> > > > >Interesting... (I'm a female rock violinst myself) I
> > think
> > > > >that, due to their arty bent, these bands wanted to
> > > > >incorporate instruments that were not necessarily
> > > > >considered rock-by-nature (rather than this being
> > directly
> > > > >related to gender).  Tho I guess many people argue
> > that the
> > > > >off-kilter/experimental nature of Liliput and The
> > > > >Raincoats' songwriting is a direct result of being
> > > > >female/having a feminine aesthetic. There's
> > something about
> > > > >that argument that I don't like but I can't quite
> > put my
> > > > >finger on it. I guess it's just that I hate to see
> > musical
> > > > >ideas pigeonholed by sex when there are so many
> > other ways
> > > > >to describe music which don't invoke the whole ball
> > of
> > > > >gender stereotyping wax.
> > > > >Emily
> > > > >http://shepherdessband.com
> > > > >
> > > > >--- Tim Murphy <timmy.bear at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  > Was just thinking, ...each
> > > > >  > of these bands incorporated a violin player at
> > various
> > > > >  > points.
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Chuck Warner
> > > >Hyped to Death CDs/Messthetics
> > > >P.O. Box 351
> > > >Westminster, Massachusetts 01473
> > > >http://hyped2death.com
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