[TypicalGirls] UT

Dina Hornreich dina.hornreich at gmail.com
Tue Jun 5 10:16:07 EDT 2007


What is your recommendation then? That I make an exception to the
aforementioned "chronological constraints" to include "In Gut's House" since
the band was around during the TG time frame?

We can revisit this exercise and revise the list annually, no? Perhaps the
material released during the TG timeframe will be available at some point
later on. (Someone's taking notes right?) At which point, we can
add/subtract/amend what we've created here.

I very much like Ut. It's not like I'm excluding them based on my biases
(which I mentioned in the email about Selector).

-Dina


On 6/4/07, andrea feldman <andrea.feldman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ut's first official recorded output was meant to be a tape on Charles
> Ball's Lust/Unlust label in 1980. It never happened because Ball went AWOL.
> However, their first self-released cassette (Live 1981) came out in 1981.
>
> Their 1984 UT EP —which features the absolutely peerless A-side pairing of
> "Sham Shack" and "The Bliss"— is an excellent place to start one's education
> in the band. I only wish "This Bliss" was more widely available. "Sham
> Shack" can of course be found on the 2nd volume of Soul Jazz' "New York
> Noise."
>
> Their music is criminally underrated. Mark Sinker once characterized them
> as a band who, at their best, "snatch[ed] grace out of disaster." It's a
> marvelously evocative phrase, because it precisely captures the knife's-edge
> of tension that the band consistently and compellingly walked during their
> existence. And if that sometimes made them seem a bit isolated or isolating
> —aloof even— it's because they were hewing resolutely to their own path. And
> it seems clear from this vantage point (nearly 20 years after the release of
> their masterpiece In Gut's House) that they knew precisely what they were
> doing. It was the rest of us who were slow in catching up.
>
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> >    1. Re: chronological cutoff (Hilary Jaeger)
> >    2. Re: chronological cutoff (Dina Hornreich)
> >    3. Re: chronological cutoff (Hilary Jaeger)
> >    4. Poison Girls update (Tim Murphy)
> >    5. Re: Dangerous Birds (Barry Koopersmith)
> >    6. Romeo Void (Dina Hornreich)
> >    7. Concert photos at "The Mudd Club" (Barry Koopersmith)
> >    8. please pick a release! (Dina Hornreich)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:37:55 -0400
> > From: "Hilary Jaeger" <jaema11 at earthlink.net >
> > Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] chronological cutoff
> > To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa
> >         1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org >
> > Message-ID: <001501c7a701$62dcec80$726b5645 at earthlink.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hey All; and, Dina;
> > Do you mean that Ut can't be on the list because it's post-1985?
> > Ut played Tier 3 half a dozen times in 1980.  FYI, so did many of the
> > bands
> > on the list: The Raincoats, The Slits, ESG, X, Bush Tetras, Y Pants,
> > Delta
> > 5, Young Marble Giants, and, for that matter, Malaria and The Dance.
> > (Just
> > tooting the old horn..)
> > Lydia Lunch also performed there in 8 Eyed Spy and Devil Dogs--she's GOT
> > to
> > be on the list, but in which incarnation, I'm not sure---obviously there
> >
> > have to be recordings--and I'm not sure there were with Devil Dogs, or
> > Beirut Slump etc.  So what up--Teenage Jesus, 8 Eyed Spy?
> >
> > Hilary
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dina Hornreich" < dina.hornreich at gmail.com>
> > To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa
> > 1975-1980s)" < typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:59 PM
> > Subject: [TypicalGirls] chronological cutoff
> >
> >
> > > I believe the same holds true for UT, sadly!
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "dan bailey" <dpbailey at att.net>
> > > To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa
> > > 1975-1980s)" < typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 11:25 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] SUBMIT BLURBS PLEASE! We're up to 22
> > must-haves!
> > >
> > >
> > > > >Or is there a chronological cutoff (around 1985, to judge by the
> > list
> > we
> > > >>already have)? If there's a 1985-86 cutoff, Salem 66 and/or Scrawl
> > should
> > > >>just sneak in... do either of them belong?<
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Dina --
> > > >
> > > >>>I narrowed our list down to 1975-1984 because that was the general
> > time
> > > > period I intended when I created the listserv. I've been waffling on
> > that
> > > > decision, but (in the end) I'm going to stand by it.<<
> > >> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:53:31 -0600
> > From: "Dina Hornreich" <dina.hornreich at gmail.com >
> > Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] chronological cutoff
> > To: "Hilary Jaeger" <jaema11 at earthlink.net>,    "Typical Girls: Women in
> >         Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa 1975-1980s)"
> >         <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID: <017201c7a703$8f5f0ca0$d1a00918 at Dina>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> >         reply-type=original
> >
> > The 2 UT reissues that I have are dated past 1984 (for their original
> > release dates). That clears up my perplexitites thoough.
> >
> > We've got Lydia Lunch on the list under the reissue fo the No New York
> > compilation. (Too bad the Wanna Buy a Bridge reissue fell through...)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hilary Jaeger" <jaema11 at earthlink.net>
> > To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa
> > 1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] chronological cutoff
> >
> >
> > > Hey All; and, Dina;
> > > Do you mean that Ut can't be on the list because it's post-1985?
> > > Ut played Tier 3 half a dozen times in 1980.  FYI, so did many of the
> > > bands
> > > on the list: The Raincoats, The Slits, ESG, X, Bush Tetras, Y Pants,
> > Delta
> > > 5, Young Marble Giants, and, for that matter, Malaria and The Dance.
> > (Just
> > > tooting the old horn..)
> > > Lydia Lunch also performed there in 8 Eyed Spy and Devil Dogs--she's
> > GOT
> > > to
> > > be on the list, but in which incarnation, I'm not sure---obviously
> > there
> > > have to be recordings--and I'm not sure there were with Devil Dogs, or
> > > Beirut Slump etc.  So what up--Teenage Jesus, 8 Eyed Spy?
> > >
> > > Hilary
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dina Hornreich" <dina.hornreich at gmail.com>
> > > To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa
> > > 1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:59 PM
> > > Subject: [TypicalGirls] chronological cutoff
> > >
> > >
> > >> I believe the same holds true for UT, sadly!
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "dan bailey" <dpbailey at att.net>
> > >> To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa
> > >> 1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 11:25 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] SUBMIT BLURBS PLEASE! We're up to 22
> > > must-haves!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > >Or is there a chronological cutoff (around 1985, to judge by the
> > list
> > > we
> > >> >>already have)? If there's a 1985-86 cutoff, Salem 66 and/or Scrawl
> > > should
> > >> >>just sneak in... do either of them belong?<
> > >> >
> > >> > Quoting Dina --
> > >> >
> > >> >>>I narrowed our list down to 1975-1984 because that was the general
> > >> >>>time
> > >> > period I intended when I created the listserv. I've been waffling
> > on
> > > that
> > >> > decision, but (in the end) I'm going to stand by it.<<
> > >>> >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:06:34 -0400
> > From: "Hilary Jaeger" <jaema11 at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] chronological cutoff
> > To: "Dina Hornreich" <dina.hornreich at gmail.com>,        "Typical Girls:
> > Women
> >         in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa      1975-1980s)"
> >         <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID: <010c01c7a705$62a67660$726b5645 at earthlink.net >
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Good one--love the list and the discussions---
> > -Hil
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dina Hornreich" < dina.hornreich at gmail.com>
> > To: "Hilary Jaeger" <jaema11 at earthlink.net>; "Typical Girls: Women in
> > Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa 1975-1980s)"
> > <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] chronological cutoff
> >
> >
> > > The 2 UT reissues that I have are dated past 1984 (for their original
> > > release dates). That clears up my perplexitites thoough.
> > >
> > > We've got Lydia Lunch on the list under the reissue fo the No New York
> > > compilation. (Too bad the Wanna Buy a Bridge reissue fell through...)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Hilary Jaeger" <jaema11 at earthlink.net>
> > > To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa
> > > 1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:37 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] chronological cutoff
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey All; and, Dina;
> > > > Do you mean that Ut can't be on the list because it's post-1985?
> > > > Ut played Tier 3 half a dozen times in 1980.  FYI, so did many of
> > the
> > > > bands
> > > > on the list: The Raincoats, The Slits, ESG, X, Bush Tetras, Y Pants,
> > Delta
> > > > 5, Young Marble Giants, and, for that matter, Malaria and The Dance.
> > (Just
> > > > tooting the old horn..)
> > > > Lydia Lunch also performed there in 8 Eyed Spy and Devil Dogs--she's
> > GOT
> > > > to
> > > > be on the list, but in which incarnation, I'm not sure---obviously
> > there
> > > > have to be recordings--and I'm not sure there were with Devil Dogs,
> > or
> > > > Beirut Slump etc.  So what up--Teenage Jesus, 8 Eyed Spy?
> > > >
> > > > Hilary
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dina Hornreich" < dina.hornreich at gmail.com>
> > > > To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa
> > > > 1975-1980s)" < typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:59 PM
> > > > Subject: [TypicalGirls] chronological cutoff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> I believe the same holds true for UT, sadly!
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "dan bailey" <dpbailey at att.net>
> > > >> To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music
> > (Circa
> > > >> 1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 11:25 AM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] SUBMIT BLURBS PLEASE! We're up to 22
> > > > must-haves!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > >Or is there a chronological cutoff (around 1985, to judge by the
> > list
> > > > we
> > > >> >>already have)? If there's a 1985-86 cutoff, Salem 66 and/or
> > Scrawl
> > > > should
> > > >> >>just sneak in... do either of them belong?<
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Quoting Dina --
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>>I narrowed our list down to 1975-1984 because that was the
> > general
> > > >> >>>time
> > > >> > period I intended when I created the listserv. I've been waffling
> > on
> > > > that
> > > >> > decision, but (in the end) I'm going to stand by it.<<
> > > >>> >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > TypicalGirls mailing list
> > > > TypicalGirls at lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/typicalgirls
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:52:01 -0400
> > From: "Tim Murphy" <timmy.bear at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [TypicalGirls] Poison Girls update
> > To: typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Message-ID:
> >         <9ffdaf8f0706041852m4f1762c0gf2454676400f77da at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > While STATEMENT and REAL WOMAN and a number of other Poison Girls
> > releases are only showing on Amazon.com as available through private
> > sellers, I did notice this...
> >
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Their-Finest-Moments-Poison-Girls/dp/B000024QJ8/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/105-0659839-8988438?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1181008124&sr=1-2
> >
> > which looked promising as an intro to this anarcho-punk-feminist group
> > fronted by a woman old enough to be today's 12-15 year old girls'
> > great-granny (and, in the time these recording were initially made,
> > would have been the right age to be their mother).
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:15:50 -0400
> > From: Barry Koopersmith <bkoopers at optonline.net>
> > Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] Dangerous Birds
> > To: typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Message-ID: <4664C756.2050509 at optonline.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> >
> > I saw the Dangerous Birds back on Mar. 30, 1983 at "Folk City" in
> > Manhattan, New York. Some day I'll scan the 35 mm negatives of the
> > photos that I took of that show and add it to my concert photo website.
> >
> > http://bkconcertphotos.irbl.net
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:45:00 -0600
> > From: "Dina Hornreich" <dina.hornreich at gmail.com >
> > Subject: [TypicalGirls] Dangerous Birds
> > To: "Typical Girls: Women in Punk/Post-Punk/Underground Music (Circa
> >         1975-1980s)" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org >
> >
> > More great OOP material. I hope someone is taking notes here!  :-)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jason Gross" <perfect at furious.com>
> >
> > Also a shame that Dangerous Birds (boston band) only had one single
> > out 'cause it's a great one ("Alpha Romeo").  Someone from the band
> > (not Thalia) told me that there's an album's worth of demos lying
> > around.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:26:50 -0600
> > From: "Dina Hornreich" <dina.hornreich at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [TypicalGirls] Romeo Void
> > To: "Typical Girls" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID: <003801c7a718$f99edc20$d1a00918 at Dina>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_m/105-3863767-3148417?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=romeo+void
> >
> >
> > Does someone want to pick out a CD to recommend for Romeo Void? I only
> > remember their song from the TV show Square Pegs (and I adored both the song
> > and the show)!
> >
> > -DIna
> >
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> > Message: 7
> > Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:32:13 -0400
> > From: Barry Koopersmith < bkoopers at optonline.net>
> > Subject: [TypicalGirls] Concert photos at "The Mudd Club"
> > To: typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Message-ID: <4664CB2D.5020204 at optonline.net>
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> >
> > If anybody is interested, I have photos of these concerts at "The Mudd
> > Club":
> >
> > Nov. 14, 1981 --> Girls At Our Best
> > Jan.  2, 1982 --> Bow Wow Wow
> >
> > Those photos are among the 8,700 photos that I took of bands in the New
> > York City area between 1981 and 1985. I need to get those 35 mm
> > negatives scanned and then added it to my concert photo website. I have
> > been trying for over a year to find a place in the New York City area to
> > get the scanning job done (I don't have the time to do the scanning
> > myself). I tried small batches of negatives with several camera and
> > photography stores but either the quality was poor or they took too long
> > or the price was too much. Can anybody recommend somebody who can do
> > this large job in high quality at a reasonable price?
> >
> > http://bkconcertphotos.irbl.net
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 08:45:47 -0700
> > From: "shan" <shan at shanboogie.com>
> > Subject: Re: [TypicalGirls] Documentary on Nightlife
> > To: <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org >
> >
> > Hello Merrill,
> >
> > My name is Shan Nicholson, I got your email address from your post on
> > the"typical girls" news letter.
> >
> > I am also a film maker who is working on a documentary on NYC's night
> > life during the late 70's early 80's .As a part of the story we are
> > covering places like Hurras and the Mudd clubb and the bands that played
> > there.We are also focusing on the art,hip hop and dance music scene as
> > well.
> >
> > Was wondering if we might be able to help each other out. I am currently
> > in the process of raising a budget for music and footage clearence and
> > you might have footage of a couple bands that we are planning on
> > covering.On the other hand,I have been working on this documentary for
> > about 2 years now and along the way I have acumillated a long list of
> > contacts,some of these contacts might be usefull to you.
> >
> > Below is a link to a teaser we put together,check it out and let me know
> >
> > what you think.We have been using the clip as a promotional tool to get
> > people interested in the project. By the way,did you put out that video
> > compilation "live at Hurras"?
> >
> > Thanks for your time,
> >
> > -Shan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:46:51 -0600
> > From: "Dina Hornreich" <dina.hornreich at gmail.com >
> > Subject: [TypicalGirls] please pick a release!
> > To: "Typical Girls" <typicalgirls at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID: <006701c7a71b$c584d180$d1a00918 at Dina >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Need more specific suggestions for CDs from each of the following:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_m/105-3863767-3148417?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=mercier+descloux
> > Lizzy Mercier Descloux
> > (Can't decide from among the 4 discs here)
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_m/105-3863767-3148417?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=selector
> > Selector
> > (So many to choose from and I know very little)
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Pearl-Harbor-Explosions/dp/B00006RYIH/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-3863767-3148417?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1181011355&sr=1-1
> > Pearl Harbor & the Explosions
> > (Well, there's only 1 but I haven't heard from any who knows if this is
> > worth recommending)
> >
> >
> > ...Gracias.
> >
> > -Dina
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