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dabeck at iupui.edu
dabeck at iupui.edu
Fri Aug 26 00:22:31 EDT 2005
Once again, you are missing the point. Can you explain how your postings have
anything to do with Percy?? Give us some quotes, some examples from Percy that
justify posting your politics to the percy listserv. Can you do that? If not,
please take it somewhere else.
If this listserv is going to be just another place to rant about politics, I
want off. But if we can get back to Percy (which is the point, isn't it?),
let's do it.
So, Mr. Rivas-Pita, bring out the evidence that your agenda has anything to
do with Percy in any legitimate way or let us know why you think this is a
forum for your diatribes. And, btw, who said your were a communist?? (No,
nevermind; that has nothing to do with Percy.) And, sorry, for mentioning the
Jews. Apparently in your eyes, they really weren't the victims. More 'non-
jews' died in WWII, so let's forget the five or so million who were killed for
just being who they were.
And, why respond to your "arguments," since none of them has to do with
PERCY!!! That's my point. Get it?? Couch your politics in Percean terms and
then maybe we can have a good discussion. That was the point of my posting. Go
back and re-read it.
Quoting J Rivas-Pita <juliorivas at gmail.com>:
> I also have an idea -about what you stand for, for instance.
> To grossly misquote me like this:
> " It started off with something like "through a
> percean view, how do you Americans feel about having a leader who is
> comparable to Hitler" (a remark that should be offensive to all Jews and
> thinking people who know history). What do those remarks REALLY have to do
> with Percy, other than the desire to spew out one's agenda under the mask of
> the remarks being "percean"?"
> Those interested enough are quite welcomed to go back in the thread
> and read my post.
> To misquote another list-member, and to misquote him OUT OF CONTEXT
> seems to me plainly dishonest, both morally and intelectually. Which
> confirms my suspicions about your own hidden agenda, masked as
> As to the remark about "all Jews and thinking people who know
> history", I must say I'm COMPLETELY FED UP MYSELF with the
> manipulative portraying of Jews as -seemingly- the only victims of
> violence and hatred on this planet, to the total exclusion of the
> about 50 MILLION DEAD in WWII who WERE NOT JEWISH, not to mention the
> fact that later on it was Jews who violently persecuted, discriminated
> and robbed of their land Palestinians, sending them into refugee camps
> -something that the Jewish-controlled media in the U.S.A. do not much
> care to show.
> And PLEASE do not come now saying that these remarks are offensive or
> that I must be a Communist or something to the effect -if you have
> some intellectual and moral integrity, do respond to my arguments and
> do not resort to the fascist-style practice of calling me names (à la
> Joe McCarthy, if you happen to know who he was -it depends on how old
> you are or how much you know about XXth century American politics).
> On 8/25/05, dabeck at iupui.edu <dabeck at iupui.edu> wrote:
> > I have an idea. I see that some have attempted some marvelous contortions,
> > order to relate this discussion to Percy. It's easy to say, I think Percy
> > would relate to XXX. But the fact is, he isn't here to throw in his
> > One thing that stands out about Percy is that a) he wrote much of his work
> > during some of the most volatile years of recent history; and b)he seemed
> > shy away from making a dogmatic stand on political issues of the day. Some
> > have recommended Love in the Ruins. I agree. The book shows how divided
> > country can and has become. But, at the same time, the book never shows us
> > particular side we should support (in a Bakhtinian way), left or right.
> > shows the weaknesses of both. In fact, he points out the myopic view that
> > dogmatic ideologies are prone to.
> > I don't know. But anytime I hear someone arguing vehemently for one side
> > the other, I cast a suspicious eye toward him/her. I really don't think
> > either position is that black and white.
> > For me, that's the big Percean point: He never sided with the far right
> > the far left (or the middle, for that matter). Perhaps a better discussion
> > this listserv is how to relate Percy's thought to the polarization that is
> > taking place in the U.S.
> > If not, please do me a favor and carry on the discussion off-list. All
> > reading is the same tired rhetoric that I (unfortunately) have to hear
> > time I turn on the TV and listen to the talking heads of the left and the
> > right. Nothing new is being said, and all of us are to comfortable in our
> > righteous beliefs to really hear the other.
> > I invite us all to drop our agenda and return to what this list does
> > analyze the works of Percy and how they relate to our everyday lives. The
> > original posting that started this discussion was inappropriate. It had
> > nothing to do with Percy. It started off with something like "through a
> > percean view, how do you Americans feel about having a leader who is
> > comparable to Hitler" (a remark that should be offensive to all Jews and
> > thinking people who know history). What do those remarks REALLY have to do
> > with Percy, other than the desire to spew out one's agenda under the mask
> > the remarks being "percean"?
> > I suggest (PLEASE) take the discussion off list. I'm tired of reading the
> > same old rhetoric that I hear everyday on the news. Let's get back to what
> > this list is for: discussing Percy's philosophy and how we relate it to
> > everyday lives. Other listserves exist that welcome one's political
> > but I'm hoping this one won't turn out like the others.
> > -David
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