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juliorivas at gmail.com
Thu Aug 25 23:50:11 EDT 2005
I also have an idea -about what you stand for, for instance.
To grossly misquote me like this:
" It started off with something like "through a
percean view, how do you Americans feel about having a leader who is
comparable to Hitler" (a remark that should be offensive to all Jews and
thinking people who know history). What do those remarks REALLY have to do
with Percy, other than the desire to spew out one's agenda under the mask of
the remarks being "percean"?"
Those interested enough are quite welcomed to go back in the thread
and read my post.
To misquote another list-member, and to misquote him OUT OF CONTEXT
seems to me plainly dishonest, both morally and intelectually. Which
confirms my suspicions about your own hidden agenda, masked as
As to the remark about "all Jews and thinking people who know
history", I must say I'm COMPLETELY FED UP MYSELF with the
manipulative portraying of Jews as -seemingly- the only victims of
violence and hatred on this planet, to the total exclusion of the
about 50 MILLION DEAD in WWII who WERE NOT JEWISH, not to mention the
fact that later on it was Jews who violently persecuted, discriminated
and robbed of their land Palestinians, sending them into refugee camps
-something that the Jewish-controlled media in the U.S.A. do not much
care to show.
And PLEASE do not come now saying that these remarks are offensive or
that I must be a Communist or something to the effect -if you have
some intellectual and moral integrity, do respond to my arguments and
do not resort to the fascist-style practice of calling me names (à la
Joe McCarthy, if you happen to know who he was -it depends on how old
you are or how much you know about XXth century American politics).
On 8/25/05, dabeck at iupui.edu <dabeck at iupui.edu> wrote:
> I have an idea. I see that some have attempted some marvelous contortions, in
> order to relate this discussion to Percy. It's easy to say, I think Percy
> would relate to XXX. But the fact is, he isn't here to throw in his opinions.
> One thing that stands out about Percy is that a) he wrote much of his work
> during some of the most volatile years of recent history; and b)he seemed to
> shy away from making a dogmatic stand on political issues of the day. Some
> have recommended Love in the Ruins. I agree. The book shows how divided our
> country can and has become. But, at the same time, the book never shows us a
> particular side we should support (in a Bakhtinian way), left or right. Percy
> shows the weaknesses of both. In fact, he points out the myopic view that
> dogmatic ideologies are prone to.
> I don't know. But anytime I hear someone arguing vehemently for one side or
> the other, I cast a suspicious eye toward him/her. I really don't think that
> either position is that black and white.
> For me, that's the big Percean point: He never sided with the far right or
> the far left (or the middle, for that matter). Perhaps a better discussion for
> this listserv is how to relate Percy's thought to the polarization that is
> taking place in the U.S.
> If not, please do me a favor and carry on the discussion off-list. All I'm
> reading is the same tired rhetoric that I (unfortunately) have to hear every
> time I turn on the TV and listen to the talking heads of the left and the
> right. Nothing new is being said, and all of us are to comfortable in our self-
> righteous beliefs to really hear the other.
> I invite us all to drop our agenda and return to what this list does best:
> analyze the works of Percy and how they relate to our everyday lives. The
> original posting that started this discussion was inappropriate. It had
> nothing to do with Percy. It started off with something like "through a
> percean view, how do you Americans feel about having a leader who is
> comparable to Hitler" (a remark that should be offensive to all Jews and
> thinking people who know history). What do those remarks REALLY have to do
> with Percy, other than the desire to spew out one's agenda under the mask of
> the remarks being "percean"?
> I suggest (PLEASE) take the discussion off list. I'm tired of reading the
> same old rhetoric that I hear everyday on the news. Let's get back to what
> this list is for: discussing Percy's philosophy and how we relate it to our
> everyday lives. Other listserves exist that welcome one's political agenda,
> but I'm hoping this one won't turn out like the others.
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