[percy-l] animal communication and consciousness
piat1 at bellsouth.net
Thu Dec 12 21:41:13 EST 2002
> Dear Jim (I apologize for the previous informalities. Too much in a hurry
> get my ideas out there)
> Thanks for the feedback and interesting ideas. All due respect though, I'm
> not sure what you mean by "the discovery of the abstract notion
> Doesn't this imply that the notion existed before its "discovery"?
I'd say yes.
> If so,
> doesn't that mean that the "thing" is not contingent upon our constructing
> ideas about it?
Again, I'd say yes.
That consciousness was something that existed prior to our
> notions of it and was made available to us, either by grace or evolution,
> and not something that sprang forth?
Well if by this you mean consciousness and existence as well as
consciousness of existence were not invented by man I would agree. But
there may have particular time in history during which man discovered
hem -- just as there was a specific point in history when man discovered
that time was not fixed but relative. This latter discovery --momentus as
it was- would pale in comparison to the discovery of context or existence
itself. Maybe even discovery is too strong a word -- maybe realized
through the grace of God is a better way to put the matter.
Hmmm. I have to chew on that for
> awhile. But, I think I hold to my first contention that language attempts
> get at the consciousness we participate in, instead of consciousness being
> manifestation of a language we use. Interesting stuff.
Well I'm puzzling over the same question -- but I think (if I understand
you correctly) that we both agree that consciousness and or language is more
akin to something we participate in than something we each individually
responsible for creating or generating.
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