[nafex] My poor young quince--more options

Elizabeth Hilborn ehilborn at mebtel.net
Sat May 21 23:20:03 EDT 2016

Thank you Richard, Yes this is what happens (rusty quince) when one 
tries to step outside the lines. Sometimes it works - just often enough 
keep me exploring.

I was inspired by some of your earlier posts to plant 3 Chaenomeles 
bushes, they were three named cultivars (Toyo Nishiki and 2 others) 
purchased from One Green World about 10 years ago. However, although the 
plants bore well, I just did not care for the fruit, even eventually 
discarding some of the processed pulp I had frozen back.

I rooted out all three bushes and other fruits are now in their place, 
although I still get Chaenomeles suckers every spring- they are persistent.

I may suffer from a lack of imagination for how to use the fruit...


On 5/21/2016 10:21 PM, Richard Moyer wrote:
> Betsy,
> After observing a neighborhood C. oblonga die from fireblight, have noticed
> many neighborhood Chaenomeles (Japanese Flowering Quince) in NE TN and SW
> VA which are not affected by rust or fireblight.  And we have LOTS of rust
> fruiting on cedars this year.
> Not to be splitting hairs, but Cedar-Quince Rust is distinct from
> Cedar-Apple Rust and Cedar-Hawthorn rust, though all three use pome fruit
> as alternate hosts.  See
> http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/your-garden/help-for-the-home-gardener/advice-tips-resources/pests-and-problems/diseases/rusts/cedar-quince-rust.aspx
> But my main point is that since 1992, we have been gathering and making
> quince juice, sauce, guava-like paste and quince drops (like gumdrops) from
> this pectin rich fruit.  Have read there are over 150 aromatic compounds in
> the juice; some pastry chefs have been having fun with ours.
> At this link is a summary of this group of quinces and work ongoing in
> Europe to evaluate Chaenomeles up to 2002.  I suspect some of this is still
> going on, and some cultivars may have been released now.
> Note the culinary uses listed therein:
> https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/pdf/rumpunen.pdf
> So Betsy, you could try some Chaenomeles.  Cultivars I like are 'Spitfire'
> and 'Toyo Nishiki'.  I like the latter for the large size of the both the
> mature bush and it's fruit.  These are rated Zone 5, though they sucker so
> freely from the base I imagine they would survive with snow cover or
> mulch.  But then there is the drying winds affecting flower buds, as has
> been noted.  Not as much of an issue in the upper SE, with out generally
> wet winters.
> For what it's worth, after trialing 25 fruiting genera at our original 2
> acre site, Chaenomeles is one of the few genera we introduced when moving
> to our farm 8 years ago.
> But there still are plenty of 'flowering quince' bushes as foundation
> plants at older homes, in the counties where I live in S. Appalachia.
> And the fruit is readily shared by the owners upon request each fall, and
> few anymore know what to do with it.  Though some remember elders their
> families making jelly.  Have transplanted suckers from some of those plants
> upon request, so with observation you may be able to identify some which
> are blight and rust resistant in your area, and ask to dig some starts.
> Said otherwise, there likely are some resistant quince already thriving in
> your area; others have already done the fruit exploration, probably more
> for ornamental reasons.
> Granted, Chaenomeles differs from Cydonia, so may not be a fit for you.
> But we enjoy working with the fruits we can grow, over striving for the
> fruits that don't work here (so far).
> I should shout out to Hector and Susie Black and clan, Lee Reich, Mike
> McConkey, Lucky Pittman and other NAFEXers for broadening my horizons of
> 'what fruits here', leading to culinary adventures.  Creative chefs also
> like the challenge.
> Thankful now for our spring rain, and for a few peaches looking good so far
> this year.
> Richard Moyer
> On 5/21/2016 9:42 AM, Anton Callaway wrote:
>> Betsy,
>> I've been growing quinces for a few decades, but have just about given up
> because of rust.  If you can't wipe out all the red cedar trees within a 10
> mile radius (that's an exaggeration), then you will have problems with
> rust.  My last ditch effort was to bring in a 'Lisle's Special' quince,
> which was purported to be resistant to rust.  It is not.  I took out the
> tree last year.  The only quince I have remaining is a seedling of Lisle's
> Special.  It is also showing a lot of rust.  I expect it will be yanked
> out, too in a few years.
>> Sorry for the bad news.  I love the fruit also.
>> Lester Davis gave me a quince-like tree a few years ago.  It is certainly
> not C. oblonga, but the fruit is similar in flavor.  It gets rust, but not
> so severely that I want to remove it.  It also has a wonderful fragrance
> akin to the C. oblonga fruit from my grandmother's yard and the exfoliating
> bark is quite ornamental.  You might contact him for more information.
>> Best regards,
>> Anton
>> Piedmont region of NC, near RTP
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Elizabeth Hilborn <ehilborn at mebtel.net>
>>> Sent: May 17, 2016 8:38 PM
>>> To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <
> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Subject: [nafex] My poor young quince
>>> I have never tried growing Cydonia oblonga before as we have severe fire
>>> blight here. However, a site opened up with good ventilation and first
>>> AM sun. I love the fruit so I bought a tree. It arrived in our warm
>>> early spring, I was able to protect it from the late freezes. It was
>>> vigorous and put out at least 10 inches of new growth with healthy
> leaves.
>>> Now, although it has escaped fire blight, it is suffering extensively
>> >from rust. The apical meristem is brown and necrotic, each leaf is at
>>> least somewhat deformed and every petiole is swelling with future
>>> fruiting bodies. One petiole has already started releasing spores.
>>> I feel like I have staked a goat out in a tiger infested jungle.
>>> So, does anyone have experience with this? Is this young tree destined
>>> to die a long, protracted death, or can it survive this severe rust
>>> infection?  I would rather rip the quince out if it is a hopeless cause
>>> for survival. This IS a bad rust year, my apples are suffering too - not
>>> every year is so bad....
>>> Betsy Hilborn
>>> 7a Central NC
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