[nafex] North Star vs. Meteor vs. ? and low chill

Idell Weydemeyer iwgarden at earthlink.net
Wed Jul 1 09:45:28 EDT 2015


Speaking of low chill for cherries---

I am in El Sobrante, California  and can see the San Francisco bay  from the
corner of the road.  This year my unnamed cherry (raised from a seed from
Montana--seedlings growing there at least 50-65 years) bloomed like crazy in
February (unusually warm winter up to 70 many days in Jan and
February--unheard of--and of course I get around 26 inches of rain and had 6
inches this year and only a little more than that last year). Maybe someone
on this list group  knows what old cherry varieties were popular that long
ago.

Sounds like Carmine Jewel is a good cherry to try.

The other surprise was my Montmorency which I thought had died- -not a
leaf--- then in May a few leaves came out and yesterday I noticed some
blooms-- and some blooms appearing on my serviceberries --Timm and Success
-- side by side with some with a few fruit (normally these berries produce
so heavy they are dragged low to the ground and have never failed until this
year). Jenibelle flowered at the usual time and fruited with some berries.
Ones called success which I bought about 5 years ago, hoping to duplicate
the Timm and Success from Bear creek-- are sparse producers and taller than
Timm and Success.

 A very strange winter in all the coastal regions of northern California.
And most of the US.

Idell Weydemeyer
 Zone 10 A (30-35)-- was 9 b and have gotten down to 18 once in a while.

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:57 AM
To: Anton Callaway; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
Experimenters
Subject: Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?

The irony for me is that North Star is often touted as the hardiest of the
tart cherries and during our 2014 winter of winters here in z4 sw WI I lost
all 15 of my North Stars that were in the ground, which a variety I know
almost nothing about, Richmond, had the least winter damage.

~mIEKAL



On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen at earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Mr. Fluffy,
>
> 'Northstar' is also my favorite all-around pie cherry.  Perhaps a bit
surprising since my 36 years of orcharding have been in the hot & humid
Southeastern US.  In my Georgia orchard, I had 'Montmorency', Starkspur
Montmorency, 'Meteor' and 'North Star'.  All were good, but 'North Star' was
the most productive and healthy.  Since moving to North Carolina, I've grown
'North Star', 'Surefire', 'Balaton', 'Carmine Jewel' and recently added
'Romeo'.  The 'Balaton's were terrible.  Mediocre quality fruit on an
unhealthy tree.  'Surefire' was very productive if we had a good chilling
winter and the cherries were very good quality, but most winters we don't
get enough chilling to please 'Surefire' and it eventually died.
>
> 'Carmine Jewel' finally produced well this year and the cherry quality was
very good.  It is a healthy tree, also.  I have had problems in past years
with CJ and brown rot, if we get a lot of rain during ripening season.
>
> Of all the pie cherries I've grown, 'North Star' remains the favorite,
although if Carmine Jewel continues to behave like this year, it will
finally be a cherry to equal North Star.  The trees also stay small, like
North Star.
>
> Anton
> North Carolina Piedmont
> Zone 8
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi at muchomail.com>
>>Sent: Jun 19, 2015 12:56 AM
>>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters 
>><nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Subject: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>>
>>Gang,
>>
>>I have been growing NorthStar (sour cherry) for about 20 years now.  I
must say I am impressed.  It make an attractive addition to the integrated
landscape, gives copious amounts of fruit for the tree canopy, is easily
held at 6 feet and is generally insect, disease resistant.
>>
>>All that being said I am always up for an improvement.  Does anyone have
any opinion on Meteor or any other dwarf to semi-dwarf sour cherry?
Additionally a comparison to NorthStar would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>I am interested in small trees that can be easily netted for the
integrated urban landscape.
>>
>>the fluffy one
>>
>>
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