[nafex] NAFEX on Facebook

Lawrence London lfljvenaura at gmail.com
Fri Sep 26 11:26:42 EDT 2014

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 9:43 AM, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza at gmail.com> wrote:

> Lawrence, if you want to check out Ello, I have invites.  It's in uber
> beta stage to and doesn't have many features.  Also as far as I can
> tell there's not much happening there yet in the organic gardening
> permaculture realm...  You can also request an invite from the front
> page but that may take a while to come back to you.

Thanks Miekal for the update and invite. Look at things from my perspective,
watching traffic fall off from all my mailing lists because of lure of
social media,
particularly Facebook, to a certain extent Reddit and now Ello, as cool as
it may be.
Why should I contribute to something that draws users away from my forums?

I wrote this reply to David who runs the ibiblio Pacific Bulb Society list
at ibiblio who was concerned about
new subscribers not being able to access the list because of the captcha
(designed to prevent bots)
in the subscription process.
"Sometimes you have to use the simplest most time consuming procedures to
keep subscribers onboard. Just think about how hard it is to get
subscribers and build traffic in a new list and keep it in old ones. Social
media, particularly Facebook, has siphoned off a lot of that.
David writes: "I once subscribed to a list which required me to write an
essay expounding my passion for the subject before they would consider me
to be legitimate."
That's very cool and is just the way Usenet and email lists worked in the
Internet early days, i.e. before the Web and html. I heard it said that
access to discussion forums and acceptance among peers in them played a
large role in the success of their academic and professional careers (email
& usenet & ftp were only available to academia and government then). One
person wrote that he lurked in a newsgroup (maybe it was a mailing list)
for a full year, just reading and learning protocol, before being brave
enough to post. I believe that. If only Usenet was that way now. It kept a
lot of people together in one easy to use place instead of having their
online activity scattered among a myriad of other discussion and
information sharing resources."

I wwish Ello success and hope it siphons off most of FB's users.

> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Andre Pierre <hello at protocol6.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Sites like Facebook and Google are not *just* convenient tools. They are
> >> big corporations that often (usually?) have questionable patterns of
> >> behavior.
> >> To use them, and to actively encourage others to use them, is to endorse
> >> such behaviors, or at best to turn a blind eye to them.
> >>
> >> For Facebook the list is pretty extensive and in my view damning:
> >> https://stallman.org/facebook.html.
> >>
> >
> > I did not realize what FB was up to until I read this news today:
> > <>
> > Ello’s thinly veiled rebuke to Facebook: ‘Your social network is owned by
> > advertisers. Every post you share, every friend you make and every link
> you
> > follow is tracked, recorded and converted into data.’
> >
> > SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — There has been a lot of chatter on social
> > media this week about a new social network called Ello, which is getting
> > buzz for its anti-Facebook Inc. stance. But is the start-up, which
> accepts
> > no advertising and does no data mining, ready for prime time?
> >
> > Ello has apparently been gaining such a huge influx of new users that its
> > servers were having problems in the past two days, despite the
> requirement
> > that you need an invitation to join. As Ello tells users who visit its
> > simple, clean, black-and-white site: It has a “manifesto.”
> >
> > “Your social network is owned by advertisers,” reads Ello’s “about” page.
> > <https://ello.co/wtf/post/about> “Every post you share, every friend you
> > make and every link you follow is tracked, recorded and converted into
> > data. Advertisers buy your data so they can show you more ads. You are
> the
> > product that’s bought and sold. ... We believe there is a better way."

Lawrence F. London
lfljvenaura at gmail.com
Skype: lawrence.f.london

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