[nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 108, Issue 19

Cabe, Paul CabeP at wlu.edu
Fri Jan 20 14:16:08 EST 2012


Hi Toni,

My students have just about completed all we can do with the samples in hand.  What's the timeline for getting us some more?  Do I need to send US import permits?

Thanks,
Paul


Paul R. Cabe, Ph.D.
Professor of Biology
Department of Biology
Washington & Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  Pineberry (Sarah Kehler Ewing)
   2. Re:  Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum
      at permies) (Sarah Kehler Ewing)
   3. Re:  Pineberry (John S)
   4. Re:  Pineberry (Melissa Kacalanos)
   5. Re:  Pineberry (Road's End Farm)
   6. Re:  Pineberry (Melissa Kacalanos)
   7.  'Smaragd' Columnar Apples (Doreen Howard)
   8. Re:  Pineberry (Road's End Farm)
   9. Re:  Sourse of book by Dr. H. A. Skinner, "Wild fruits,
      vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago"
      (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA))
  10.  Fw: Free New Grafters Manual (Sarah Kehler Ewing)
  11. Re:  'Smaragd' Columnar Apples (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
  12. Re:  'Smaragd' Columnar Apples (Doreen Howard)
  13. Re:  Fw: Free New Grafters Manual (Matt Demmon)
  14. Re:  'Smaragd' Columnar Apples (Lon J. Rombough)
  15. Re:  Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum
      at permies) (Dan Nave)
  16. Re:  Sourse of book by Dr. H. A. Skinner, "Wild fruits,
      vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago"
      (Dr. Chiranjit Parmar)
  17. Re:  Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum
      at permies) (Chris Garriss)
  18. Re:  Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum
      at permies) (Sarah Kehler Ewing)
  19. Re:  Fw: Free New Grafters Manual (Judson Frisk)
  20. Re:  Fw: Free New Grafters Manual (Jwlehman at aol.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:26:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
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Thanks so much for posting this John!? I love anything with an unusual colour.


But now I am jealous of all you Americans: Burpee's carries both the Pineberry White Pine Strawberry and the Purple Wonder strawberry!? Sigh.? How many years until someone brings them both to Canada for me?

?
I did send Burpee's a pathetic, begging email... maybe they will ship to Canada if I promise them gold bricks!


Sarah

zone 3
Edmonton, AB


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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:25:26 AM
Subject: [nafex] Pineberry

Pineberries are a strawberry species hybrid of Fragaria chiloensis, a white fruited strawberry with red seeds.? Available fur purchase in Europe.? Plants are available also in the US from Burpee.

You can find photos of the fruit, as well as more information here:

http://strawberryplants.org/2010/09/pineberry-pineberries/





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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 09:33:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture
        forum   at permies)
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Nope.? You made the right decision!?

Just one comment on what I read at the forum listed: Haskaps/Honeyberries are definitely not seedless.? In fact they have larger seeds than blueberries.? I know this for a fact because I have saved seeds from my honeyberries several times using a household strainer to clean/capture the seeds with no trouble whereas I had to do all kinds of straining thru paper towel when I save blueberry seeds a few years ago.? Burpee's sells theirs as seedless too.

?
Sarah
zone 3
Edmonton, AB


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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:37:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum at permies)

Well, I probably shouldn't have, but after reading all this and some more, I ordered a Tundra,
Borealis, and Honey Bee (new U of S pollinator) Haskap (or Honeyberry) from HoneyberryUSA.? Running
out of room to put stuff...

Dan

On 1/16/2012 4:50 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum at permies)
> http://www.permies.com/t/12063/permaculture/Haskap
>
> edible blue honeysuckle including propagation
> http://ediblebluehoneysuckle.wordpress.com/
>
> http://www.permies.com/forums/posts/list/12063#110104
> The most productive cultivars at this time are the pure Russian
> cultivars, expect 7 kilograms of berries per plant. The cultivars
> released from the University of Saskatchewan are hybrids, but less
> productive, 4 kilograms of berries per plant.
> In order to take softwood cuttings, you would require a license from
> the University of Saskatchewan.
> 2 genetically different cultivars that flower at the same time are
> required for the best fruit set.
> haskapcentral
> www.haskapcentral.com
>
> "Honeyberry"
> Jim Gilbert
> One Green World Nursery, Oregon.
> many named varieties
> http://www.onegreenworld.com/index.php?cPath=4_112
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>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:12:27 -0800 (PST)
From: John S <swim_at_svc at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
To: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing at yahoo.com>,    nafex mailing list at
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Sarah, Glad to be of help.  I'm still debating whether to give it a try or not, as the reviews have been mixed.  Regarding Purple Wonder, I've seen regular strawberries with that color when they get to ripen in the sun (protection from the robins, of course), so I'm not too impressed by that.  But of course, exploring is what it is about.  There is the added benefit that the birds here tend to ignore the white fruited varieties, which is valuable to those of us who don't grow things in large numbers.  Hard to get by the $9.95 per plant + shipping though.

Now, if I could just get a yellow P. maritima!

John



--- On Thu, 1/19/12, Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
> To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Thursday, January 19, 2012, 12:26 PM
> Thanks so much for posting this
> John!? I love anything with an unusual colour.
>
>
> But now I am jealous of all you Americans: Burpee's carries
> both the Pineberry White Pine Strawberry and the Purple
> Wonder strawberry!? Sigh.? How many years until someone
> brings them both to Canada for me?
>
> ?
> I did send Burpee's a pathetic, begging email... maybe they
> will ship to Canada if I promise them gold bricks!
>
>
> Sarah
>
> zone 3
> Edmonton, AB
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: John S <swim_at_svc at yahoo.com>
> To: NAFEX <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:25:26 AM
> Subject: [nafex] Pineberry
>
> Pineberries are a strawberry species hybrid of Fragaria
> chiloensis, a white fruited strawberry with red seeds.?
> Available fur purchase in Europe.? Plants are available
> also in the US from Burpee.
>
> You can find photos of the fruit, as well as more
> information here:
>
> http://strawberryplants.org/2010/09/pineberry-pineberries/
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:22:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
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Sarah and all,

Some of the wild strawberries around here are white. (This means that the local creatures think that white means ripe when it comes to strawberries, and eat my cultivated strawberries before they get anywhere near ripe.) If you like, Sarah, I could save seeds from these white strawberries this June and send them to you. (I could also send plants to people in the US who want them.) The plants and berries are bigger than the usual Fragaria vesca (which we also have in abundance as a lawn plant, with tiny red berries.) I think this white-fruited strawberry might be the local version of F. virginiana. The plants send out lots of runners. When ripe, it's easy to pull the fruit off the calyx, so they're definitely different from this pineberry, which is shown with the calyx attached in the pictures. They're tasty, but I like my 'Mara de Bois' better.

I'm also growing NW 90054-37 = PI 641196, a "black" (actually disappointingly maroon) strawberry I got from Corvallis.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/53581500/catalogs/fradark.html

It's a nice strawberry, just not as distinctive as I was hoping. US folks, let me know if you'd like a plant of that, as it's sending out lots of runners.

Melissa



________________________________
 From: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing at yahoo.com>
To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry

Thanks so much for posting this John!? I love anything with an unusual colour.


But now I am jealous of all you Americans: Burpee's carries both the Pineberry White Pine Strawberry and the Purple Wonder strawberry!? Sigh.? How many years until someone brings them both to Canada for me?

?
I did send Burpee's a pathetic, begging email... maybe they will ship to Canada if I promise them gold bricks!


Sarah

zone 3
Edmonton, AB

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:26:33 -0500
From: Road's End Farm <organic87 at frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
To: Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz at yahoo.com>,       nafex mailing list at
        ibiblio <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <4343A8C7-8A2F-4E22-A87D-7D9130979462 at frontiernet.net>
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Melissa, where are you?

You may have stated this in some other post, but I can't keep track.
(If you use a signature for your email, it can help to put general
location info in the signature.)


-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale



On Jan 19, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:

> Sarah and all,
>
> Some of the wild strawberries around here are white. (This means
> that the local creatures think that white means ripe when it comes
> to strawberries, and eat my cultivated strawberries before they get
> anywhere near ripe.) If you like, Sarah, I could save seeds from
> these white strawberries this June and send them to you. (I could
> also send plants to people in the US who want them.) The plants and
> berries are bigger than the usual Fragaria vesca (which we also have
> in abundance as a lawn plant, with tiny red berries.) I think this
> white-fruited strawberry might be the local version of F.
> virginiana. The plants send out lots of runners. When ripe, it's
> easy to pull the fruit off the calyx, so they're definitely
> different from this pineberry, which is shown with the calyx
> attached in the pictures. They're tasty, but I like my 'Mara de
> Bois' better.
>
> I'm also growing NW 90054-37 = PI 641196, a "black" (actually
> disappointingly maroon) strawberry I got from Corvallis.
>
> http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/53581500/catalogs/fradark.html
>
> It's a nice strawberry, just not as distinctive as I was hoping. US
> folks, let me know if you'd like a plant of that, as it's sending
> out lots of runners.
>
> Melissa



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 12:41:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Sorry, central NY state, Ithaca, zone 5. We're neighbors, Rivka.


Melissa



________________________________
 From: Road's End Farm <organic87 at frontiernet.net>
To: Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz at yahoo.com>; nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry


Melissa, where are you?

You may have stated this in some other post, but I can't keep track. (If you use a signature for your email, it can help to put general location info in the signature.)



-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale



On Jan 19, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:

Sarah and all,
>
>Some of the wild strawberries around here are white. (This means that the local creatures think that white means ripe when it comes to strawberries, and eat my cultivated strawberries before they get anywhere near ripe.) If you like, Sarah, I could save seeds from these white strawberries this June and send them to you. (I could also send plants to people in the US who want them.) The plants and berries are bigger than the usual Fragaria vesca (which we also have in abundance as a lawn plant, with tiny red berries.) I think this white-fruited strawberry might be the local version of F. virginiana. The plants send out lots of runners. When ripe, it's easy to pull the fruit off the calyx, so they're definitely different from this pineberry, which is shown with the calyx attached in the pictures. They're tasty, but I like my 'Mara de Bois' better.
>
>I'm also growing NW 90054-37 = PI 641196, a "black" (actually disappointingly maroon) strawberry I got from Corvallis.?
>
>http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/53581500/catalogs/fradark.html
>
>It's a nice strawberry, just not as distinctive as I was hoping. US folks, let me know if you'd like a plant of that, as it's sending out lots of runners.
>
>Melissa

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:38:39 -0600
From: "Doreen Howard" <gardendiva at charter.net>
Subject: [nafex] 'Smaragd' Columnar Apples
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <CA64FB85307746378056F16E9D727D06 at gardendiva>
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I read this in the current issue of "The Avant Gardener" and wonder if any
of you have knowledge or experience with this propagation program.
--------------
"New breeding work in Serbia is reviving interest in columnar apples.
'Smaragd', the first introduction from the University of Novi Sad (21000
Novi Sad, Serbia), is a cross of 'Granny Smith' x 'Wijcik'.  The green
fruits are described as having "fine, crisp, juicy white flesh" with
fine-grained texture and taste superior to 'Granny Smith'.  The tree grows
erect and densely columnar, with large and leathery leaves.  Depending on
rootstock, 'Smaragd' can grow to about 5 feet in the ground or shorter in
pots.

'Smaragd' is not patented, and limited quantities of budwood for commercial
propagation are being released by the University."

Doreen G. Howard
gardendiva at charter.net
Read my blog at The Old Farmers Almanac site:
http://www.almanac.com/gardening/blog



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:51:37 -0500
From: Road's End Farm <organic87 at frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
To: Melissa Kacalanos <mijwiz at yahoo.com>,       nafex mailing list at
        ibiblio <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <2FF48D6D-CAA5-4777-97E2-D505C141B442 at frontiernet.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Interesting. I've never seen white wild strawberries.

Considering the pest problem it seems to be causing you, maybe I
should resist the temptation to ask for some.


-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale



On Jan 19, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:

> Sorry, central NY state, Ithaca, zone 5. We're neighbors, Rivka.
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Road's End Farm
> To: Melissa Kacalanos
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Pineberry
>
>
> Melissa, where are you?
>
> You may have stated this in some other post, but I can't keep track.
> (If you use a signature for your email, it can help to put general
> location info in the signature.)
>
>
>
> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
>
>
>
> On Jan 19, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Melissa Kacalanos wrote:
>
> Sarah and all,
>>
>> Some of the wild strawberries around here are white. (This means
>> that the local creatures think that white means ripe when it comes
>> to strawberries, and eat my cultivated strawberries before they get
>> anywhere near ripe.) If you like, Sarah, I could save seeds from
>> these white strawberries this June and send them to you. (I could
>> also send plants to people in the US who want them.) The plants and
>> berries are bigger than the usual Fragaria vesca (which we also
>> have in abundance as a lawn plant, with tiny red berries.) I think
>> this white-fruited strawberry might be the local version of F.
>> virginiana. The plants send out lots of runners. When ripe, it's
>> easy to pull the fruit off the calyx, so they're definitely
>> different from this pineberry, which is shown with the calyx
>> attached in the pictures. They're tasty, but I like my 'Mara de
>> Bois' better.
>>
>> I'm also growing NW 90054-37 = PI 641196, a "black" (actually
>> disappointingly maroon) strawberry I got from Corvallis.
>>
>> http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/53581500/catalogs/fradark.html
>>
>> It's a nice strawberry, just not as distinctive as I was hoping. US
>> folks, let me know if you'd like a plant of that, as it's sending
>> out lots of runners.
>>
>> Melissa
> __________________



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:02:42 +0000
From: "Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)" <sam.brungardt at state.mn.us>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Sourse of book by Dr. H. A. Skinner, "Wild
        fruits, vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago"
To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>,
        "rarefruit at lists.ibiblio.org" <rarefruit at lists.ibiblio.org>,
        "rarefruit at yahoogroups.com" <rarefruit at yahoogroups.com>,
        "rarefruit at san.rr.com" <rarefruit at san.rr.com>, Texas Fruits
        <txrarefruitgrowers at yahoogroups.com>
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I obtained this info from the University of the West Indies, which recently added the book "Wild fruits, vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago" by Dr. H.A. Skinner to its holdings:

Publisher: Envirah, 387 Waterloo Road, Carapichaima, Trinidad, West Indies
Tel: (868) 781-0890
Email: Zalimun.Mohammed at hotmail.com

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:46 AM
To: rarefruit at lists.ibiblio.org; rarefruit at yahoogroups.com; rarefruit at san.rr.com; NAFEX; Texas Fruits
Subject: [nafex] Sourse of book.

Dear all,

Can any of you help me by telling the source of the following book:

    Wild fruits, vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago by Dr HA Skinner

Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
www.fruitipedia.com
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:05:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing at yahoo.com>
Subject: [nafex] Fw: Free New Grafters Manual
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For my NAFEX friends:? I just had this link emailed to me from the fearless leader of our local fruit growers group.?? A colleague of one of our members has authored this new grafter's manual and is offering it as a free download.? It is 18 pages and full of colour photos, took about 3 minutes to download on my semi-high speed internet.

?

https://pubs.wsu.edu/ListItems.aspx?Keyword=PNW496


Enjoy!


Sarah

zone 3

Edmonton, AB

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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:19:43 -0500
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [nafex] 'Smaragd' Columnar Apples
To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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On 1/19/2012 3:38 PM, Doreen Howard wrote:
> I read this in the current issue of "The Avant Gardener" and wonder if any
> of you have knowledge or experience with this propagation program.
> --------------
> "New breeding work in Serbia is reviving interest in columnar apples.

What is a columnar apple; anything like espaliered or trellised? Is it a
natural form for this type of fruit?


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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:24:37 -0600
From: "Doreen Howard" <gardendiva at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [nafex] 'Smaragd' Columnar Apples
To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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A columnar apple is like a pole with short, stubby branches.  They fit well
into small landscapes and large containers.
Doreen Howard



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:33:21 -0500
From: Matt Demmon <mdemmon at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Fw: Free New Grafters Manual
To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Really nice pictures! Very helpful for a visual learner such as me.

I like the 'banana' graft. I'd never seen that one before.

-matt
z5 se MI

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing at yahoo.com> wrote:
> For my NAFEX friends:? I just had this link emailed to me from the fearless leader of our local fruit growers group.?? A colleague of one of our members has authored this new grafter's manual and is offering it as a free download.? It is 18 pages and full of colour photos, took about 3 minutes to download on my semi-high speed internet.
>
>
>
> https://pubs.wsu.edu/ListItems.aspx?Keyword=PNW496
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
> Sarah
>
> zone 3
>
> Edmonton, AB
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 17:43:52 -0800
From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom at hevanet.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] 'Smaragd' Columnar Apples
To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Columnar apples will branch, but mostly long straight limbs that arise low on the trunk. I've seen old "Wijick" trees with side branches that looked like Lombardy poplars in form.
The columnar trait is a single dominant gene, so a normal x columnar cross gives 50% columnar seedlings. Since the trait is visible in very young seedlings, it's easy to breed.  At one time there were at least 2 private breeders in NAFEX working on columnar apples, but I forget their names.
-Lon  Rombough
Grapes, writing, consulting, book, The Grape Grower, at http://www.bunchgrapes.com  Winner  GWA "Best Talent in Writing"  2003.
Grape pruning video: http://www.bunchgrapes.com/dvd.html View a short, low resolution clip here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q58zFY0B1M
A video about The Grape Grower : http://cookingupastory.com/index.php/2008/04/18/the-grape-grower/





On Jan 19, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Doreen Howard wrote:

A columnar apple is like a pole with short, stubby branches.  They fit well
into small landscapes and large containers.
Doreen Howard

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:03:25 -0600
From: Dan Nave <nave1 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture
        forum at permies)
To: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing at yahoo.com>,    nafex mailing list at
        ibiblio <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Have you had any fruit from any of these cultivars?  The Tundra and Borealis seem like they have
fairly large fruit and the Honey Bee pollinator seems to have large fruit also.  How would you
characterize the taste?

By the way, the grafting manual looks very good.

Dan

On 1/19/2012 11:33 AM, Sarah Kehler Ewing wrote:
> Nope.  You made the right decision!
>
> Just one comment on what I read at the forum listed: Haskaps/Honeyberries are definitely not seedless.  In fact they have larger seeds than blueberries.  I know this for a fact because I have saved seeds from my honeyberries several times using a household strainer to clean/capture the seeds with no trouble whereas I had to do all kinds of straining thru paper towel when I save blueberry seeds a few years ago.  Burpee's sells theirs as seedless too.
>
>
> Sarah
> zone 3
> Edmonton, AB
>
>
> ________________________________
>   From: Dan Nave<nave1 at comcast.net>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio<nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:37:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum at permies)
>
> Well, I probably shouldn't have, but after reading all this and some more, I ordered a Tundra,
> Borealis, and Honey Bee (new U of S pollinator) Haskap (or Honeyberry) from HoneyberryUSA.  Running
> out of room to put stuff...
>
> Dan
>
> On 1/16/2012 4:50 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
>> Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum at permies)
>> http://www.permies.com/t/12063/permaculture/Haskap
>>
>> edible blue honeysuckle including propagation
>> http://ediblebluehoneysuckle.wordpress.com/
>>
>> http://www.permies.com/forums/posts/list/12063#110104
>> The most productive cultivars at this time are the pure Russian
>> cultivars, expect 7 kilograms of berries per plant. The cultivars
>> released from the University of Saskatchewan are hybrids, but less
>> productive, 4 kilograms of berries per plant.
>> In order to take softwood cuttings, you would require a license from
>> the University of Saskatchewan.
>> 2 genetically different cultivars that flower at the same time are
>> required for the best fruit set.
>> haskapcentral
>> www.haskapcentral.com
>>
>> "Honeyberry"
>> Jim Gilbert
>> One Green World Nursery, Oregon.
>> many named varieties
>> http://www.onegreenworld.com/index.php?cPath=4_112
>> __________________
>>
>>
>>


------------------------------

Message: 16
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:06:36 +0530
From: "Dr. Chiranjit Parmar" <parmarch_mnd at dataone.in>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Sourse of book by Dr. H. A. Skinner, "Wild
        fruits, vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago"
To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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        reply-type=original

Thanks a lot.

Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
www.fruitipedia.com

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Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 2:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [nafex] Sourse of book by Dr. H. A. Skinner, "Wild fruits,
vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago"

I obtained this info from the University of the West Indies, which recently
added the book "Wild fruits, vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and
Tobago" by Dr. H.A. Skinner to its holdings:

Publisher: Envirah, 387 Waterloo Road, Carapichaima, Trinidad, West Indies
Tel: (868) 781-0890
Email: Zalimun.Mohammed at hotmail.com

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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:46 AM
To: rarefruit at lists.ibiblio.org; rarefruit at yahoogroups.com;
rarefruit at san.rr.com; NAFEX; Texas Fruits
Subject: [nafex] Sourse of book.

Dear all,

Can any of you help me by telling the source of the following book:

    Wild fruits, vegetables and other goodies of Trinidad and Tobago by Dr
HA Skinner

Dr. Chiranjit Parmar
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:41:57 -0500
From: Chris Garriss <cgarriss at garriss.net>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture
        forum at permies)
To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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        <CA+TruWjCsbxiaKuU2eMDsbBDvZe1RA=NVXHwts5CVKLeBxeCtw at mail.gmail.com>
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I was just reading through this thread, and have become quite intrigued.  A
quick look and I only found 2 places that sell the plants.  Any suggestions
as to where might be the "best" source?

Depending on where I would plant, it would either be 6b (almost but not
quite 6a due to elevation) or 7a/7b interface

Chris

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Dan Nave <nave1 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Have you had any fruit from any of these cultivars?  The Tundra and
> Borealis seem like they have
> fairly large fruit and the Honey Bee pollinator seems to have large fruit
> also.  How would you
> characterize the taste?
>
> By the way, the grafting manual looks very good.
>
> Dan
>
> On 1/19/2012 11:33 AM, Sarah Kehler Ewing wrote:
> > Nope.  You made the right decision!
> >
> > Just one comment on what I read at the forum listed:
> Haskaps/Honeyberries are definitely not seedless.  In fact they have larger
> seeds than blueberries.  I know this for a fact because I have saved seeds
> from my honeyberries several times using a household strainer to
> clean/capture the seeds with no trouble whereas I had to do all kinds of
> straining thru paper towel when I save blueberry seeds a few years ago.
>  Burpee's sells theirs as seedless too.
> >
> >
> > Sarah
> > zone 3
> > Edmonton, AB
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >   From: Dan Nave<nave1 at comcast.net>
> > To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio<nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:37:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture
> forum at permies)
> >
> > Well, I probably shouldn't have, but after reading all this and some
> more, I ordered a Tundra,
> > Borealis, and Honey Bee (new U of S pollinator) Haskap (or Honeyberry)
> from HoneyberryUSA.  Running
> > out of room to put stuff...
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On 1/16/2012 4:50 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
> >> Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum at permies)
> >> http://www.permies.com/t/12063/permaculture/Haskap
> >>
> >> edible blue honeysuckle including propagation
> >> http://ediblebluehoneysuckle.wordpress.com/
> >>
> >> http://www.permies.com/forums/posts/list/12063#110104
> >> The most productive cultivars at this time are the pure Russian
> >> cultivars, expect 7 kilograms of berries per plant. The cultivars
> >> released from the University of Saskatchewan are hybrids, but less
> >> productive, 4 kilograms of berries per plant.
> >> In order to take softwood cuttings, you would require a license from
> >> the University of Saskatchewan.
> >> 2 genetically different cultivars that flower at the same time are
> >> required for the best fruit set.
> >> haskapcentral
> >> www.haskapcentral.com
> >>
> >> "Honeyberry"
> >> Jim Gilbert
> >> One Green World Nursery, Oregon.
> >> many named varieties
> >> http://www.onegreenworld.com/index.php?cPath=4_112
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> >>
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:57:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture
        forum   at permies)
To: NAFEX <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Being from Southern BC, I think that Haskaps/Honeyberries taste like blueberries crossed with oregon grapes which is not very helpful since most people have never eaten oregon grapes!? They have way more flavour than a blueberry and I love eating them out of hand, but they are not a sweet.

My Tundra and Borealis produced a bit last year and the year before, hopefully they will do something big this year.? They are larger and fatter berries, but I really haven't had enough to do a taste test between all our varieties and my 150 seedlings: I love them all and they all taste the same to me!? Tundra and Borealis were plugs when I got them and they have been thru the ringer with me: two years of not so controlled weeds and then transplanted last spring to a nice tilled area which flooded most of the summer and then droughted the rest.? My berry patch area is nicely sloped, but the copious amounts of rain ran over the sod surrounding tilled area, sank into the loose earth and stayed there drowning half my raspberries, rhubarb, saskatoons, gooseberries and currants.? I think the only thing that didn't die in large numbers was the honeyberries!? They are so tough, my older bushes produced huge crops even though they were in grass the same 5'
 tall as they are!? And they made it thru -46F with no winter protection.

?
Sarah
zone 3
Edmonton, AB


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To: Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing at yahoo.com>; nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum at permies)

Have you had any fruit from any of these cultivars?? The Tundra and Borealis seem like they have
fairly large fruit and the Honey Bee pollinator seems to have large fruit also.? How would you
characterize the taste?

By the way, the grafting manual looks very good.

Dan

On 1/19/2012 11:33 AM, Sarah Kehler Ewing wrote:
> Nope.? You made the right decision!
>
> Just one comment on what I read at the forum listed: Haskaps/Honeyberries are definitely not seedless.? In fact they have larger seeds than blueberries.? I know this for a fact because I have saved seeds from my honeyberries several times using a household strainer to clean/capture the seeds with no trouble whereas I had to do all kinds of straining thru paper towel when I save blueberry seeds a few years ago.? Burpee's sells theirs as seedless too.
>
>?
> Sarah
> zone 3
> Edmonton, AB
>
>
> ________________________________
>?  From: Dan Nave<nave1 at comcast.net>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio<nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:37:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum at permies)
>
> Well, I probably shouldn't have, but after reading all this and some more, I ordered a Tundra,
> Borealis, and Honey Bee (new U of S pollinator) Haskap (or Honeyberry) from HoneyberryUSA.? Running
> out of room to put stuff...
>
> Dan
>
> On 1/16/2012 4:50 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
>> Honeyberry/Haskap discussion thread (permaculture forum at permies)
>> http://www.permies.com/t/12063/permaculture/Haskap
>>
>> edible blue honeysuckle including propagation
>> http://ediblebluehoneysuckle.wordpress.com/
>>
>> http://www.permies.com/forums/posts/list/12063#110104
>> The most productive cultivars at this time are the pure Russian
>> cultivars, expect 7 kilograms of berries per plant. The cultivars
>> released from the University of Saskatchewan are hybrids, but less
>> productive, 4 kilograms of berries per plant.
>> In order to take softwood cuttings, you would require a license from
>> the University of Saskatchewan.
>> 2 genetically different cultivars that flower at the same time are
>> required for the best fruit set.
>> haskapcentral
>> www.haskapcentral.com
>>
>> "Honeyberry"
>> Jim Gilbert
>> One Green World Nursery, Oregon.
>> many named varieties
>> http://www.onegreenworld.com/index.php?cPath=4_112
>> __________________
>>
>>
>>

------------------------------

Message: 19
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:08:34 -0600
From: "Judson Frisk" <jlfrisk at iowatelecom.net>
Subject: Re: [nafex] Fw: Free New Grafters Manual
To: "'nafex mailing list at ibiblio'" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <001e01ccd78d$c33b5d70$49b21850$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"

Isn't the banana graft also called the "Four flap graft"?  I saw it
recommended especially for nut trees such as pecan.  Judson L. Frisk

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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 7:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [nafex] Fw: Free New Grafters Manual

Really nice pictures! Very helpful for a visual learner such as me.

I like the 'banana' graft. I'd never seen that one before.

-matt
z5 se MI

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Sarah Kehler Ewing <skkewing at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> For my NAFEX friends:? I just had this link emailed to me from the
fearless leader of our local fruit growers group.?? A colleague of one of
our members has authored this new grafter's manual and is offering it as a
free download.? It is 18 pages and full of colour photos, took about 3
minutes to download on my semi-high speed internet.
>
>
>
> https://pubs.wsu.edu/ListItems.aspx?Keyword=PNW496
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
> Sarah
>
> zone 3
>
> Edmonton, AB
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:36:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Jwlehman at aol.com
Subject: Re: [nafex] Fw: Free New Grafters Manual
To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
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In a message dated 1/20/2012 11:28:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jlfrisk at iowatelecom.net writes:

> Isn't the banana graft also called the "Four flap graft"?  I saw it
> recommended especially for nut trees such as pecan.  Judson L. Frisk

Yes it is and can be done as a 5 flap. About 3 years ago I demonstrated it
at an Indiana Nut Growers grafting meeting butter nut on black walnut. I
screwed up the match by shaving off too much and told everyone my mistake. It
took anyway. Fred Blankenship, Kentucky Nut Growers hickory expert uses it as
his favorite for hickory. He and I highly recommend it for hardwood
grafting.

Jerry

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