[nafex ibiblio list] Autumn Olive

Matt Demmon mdemmon at gmail.com
Tue Jan 10 09:41:25 EST 2012


I'd rather talk about fruit than invasives. ;) Jay, I don't know if
this helps, but there are many many wild stands of Autumn Olive around
here, plenty of them to ensure pollination. However, I've noticed that
fruit set is very sporadic. Some shrubs some years will be laden with
berries, other none. I haven't paid enough attention to detect a
pattern, but I wonder if it is weather related, or if local
pollinators are not especially fond of autumn olive and they are only
pollinated well by honeybees. Or if it's genetic, because some stands
seem to produce well most years. Anyways, it could be that they are
not self-fertile, or it could be something else!

-matt
z5 se MI

On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Jay Cutts <orders at cuttsreviews.com> wrote:
> While we're on autumn olives, I may have asked this before but I'm
> wondering about self-fruitfulness. I have an autumn olive that is at
> least 10 years old and has never had fruit (maybe it had one, once). I'm
> at 7000 ft in NM. I suppose either it is having its flowers killed by
> late frost or else it may need a second tree. In most areas with autumn
> olive there are wild trees all over the place to provide pollen. Not
> here. I tried to grow a second tree but it died.  Does anyone have any
> insights?
>
> Also, what about Shepherdia? It seems really close to autumn olive. I'm
> wondering if Shepherdia might fruit where autumn olive has failed.  Ideas??
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Cutts
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>
> On 1/9/2012 8:34 AM, Road's End Farm wrote:
>> But I don't think anybody in this conversation has recommended any
>> such thing as "massive removal in areas where they are not a problem".
>>
>> What I was talking about was that it's not a good idea to ship plant
>> matter from one continent to another without checking whether, not
>> only the plant matter itself, but any diseases or pests it might be
>> carrying, could cause a problem.
>>
>> Someone else suggesting using populations already present, instead of
>> importing additional material from elsewhere.
>>
>> Neither of those are "hysterical" recommendations.
>>
>> I like organic practices at least as well as you do. But that's really
>> a separate issue from the invasiveness question. Even when growing
>> organically -- maybe especially when growing organically -- one needs
>> to pay attention to whether what one is planting is suited to the
>> specific area it's to be grown in.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
>> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:21 AM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/8/2012 11:13 PM, Road's End Farm wrote:
>>>> Because a plant, insect, fungus, etc. does not cause a problem in one
>>>> area doesn't mean that people are "hysterical" to say that it's
>>>> causing problems somewhere else.
>>> Its hysterical to recommend massive removal in areas where they are
>>> not
>>> a problem, which seems to be happening. I also challenge, rightfully
>>> so,
>>> claims of "invasives" _causing problems_; i.e. unwarranted trumped up
>>> charges against a plant. Often, follow the money trail to see the root
>>> cause of this. I grant no special consideration for conventional
>>> agriculture, i.e. broadacre monocrop farming; everything other than
>>> the
>>> cash crop is invasive. They need to practice natural farming. The
>>> third
>>> world will not starve w/o conventional, chemical-based or gmo
>>> agriculture, a ploy to gain control of a nation's food supply,
>>> destroying traditional farming infrastructure in the process. Again, I
>>> challenge the "causing problems" rationale to justify eradication of
>>> certain plants. To tell homeowners that they need to go out and cut
>>> down
>>> and dig up eleagnus wherever it is found is ludicrous and ridiculous.
>>> Look at the lists of invasive plants and think about how many have
>>> positive attributes and can easily be controlled with careful
>>> planning and manual labor. Less TV and more hand weeding.
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