[nafex ibiblio list] Autumn Olive

Road's End Farm organic87 at frontiernet.net
Mon Jan 9 10:34:09 EST 2012

But I don't think anybody in this conversation has recommended any  
such thing as "massive removal in areas where they are not a problem".

What I was talking about was that it's not a good idea to ship plant  
matter from one continent to another without checking whether, not  
only the plant matter itself, but any diseases or pests it might be  
carrying, could cause a problem.

Someone else suggesting using populations already present, instead of  
importing additional material from elsewhere.

Neither of those are "hysterical" recommendations.

I like organic practices at least as well as you do. But that's really  
a separate issue from the invasiveness question. Even when growing  
organically -- maybe especially when growing organically -- one needs  
to pay attention to whether what one is planting is suited to the  
specific area it's to be grown in.

-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 5 mostly
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale

On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:21 AM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:

> On 1/8/2012 11:13 PM, Road's End Farm wrote:
>> Because a plant, insect, fungus, etc. does not cause a problem in one
>> area doesn't mean that people are "hysterical" to say that it's
>> causing problems somewhere else.
> Its hysterical to recommend massive removal in areas where they are  
> not
> a problem, which seems to be happening. I also challenge, rightfully  
> so,
> claims of "invasives" _causing problems_; i.e. unwarranted trumped up
> charges against a plant. Often, follow the money trail to see the root
> cause of this. I grant no special consideration for conventional
> agriculture, i.e. broadacre monocrop farming; everything other than  
> the
> cash crop is invasive. They need to practice natural farming. The  
> third
> world will not starve w/o conventional, chemical-based or gmo
> agriculture, a ploy to gain control of a nation's food supply,
> destroying traditional farming infrastructure in the process. Again, I
> challenge the "causing problems" rationale to justify eradication of
> certain plants. To tell homeowners that they need to go out and cut  
> down
> and dig up eleagnus wherever it is found is ludicrous and ridiculous.
> Look at the lists of invasive plants and think about how many have
> positive attributes and can easily be controlled with careful
> planning and manual labor. Less TV and more hand weeding.
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