[NAFEX] elderberries stem toxicity

Dan Nave nave1 at comcast.net
Sat Sep 10 21:54:09 EDT 2011


I used to know where quite a few were, but they all seem to have disappeared.

Dan

On 9/10/2011 7:51 PM, Ernest Plutko wrote:
> I saw many elderberry bushes heavily loaded with fruit in the suburbs
> of St Paul.  Never stopped to pick them.
>
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> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] elderberries stem toxicity
> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:51:05 -0500
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>> Just picked the first elderberries from two plants that were planted
>> 1 year ago.  John's and Wild
>> Elderberry.  By the way, the wild elderberry seemed to bloom a bit
>> later than the John's so I am not
>> sure that we got all of the John's to fruit.  (Or do they really need
>> another variety to pollinate
>> them?)  Fruit was not abundant but we got almost 2 cups of small
>> berries.  Not that many canes came
>> up but I think it is because it is planted under a maple tree
>> (branches are cut up high) but I think
>> there is some competition with the roots...
>>
>> I remember several years ago collecting elderberries and making wine
>> out of them.  It was incredibly
>> difficult to get the berries off the stems.  I ended up using, and
>> ruining, one of my wife's plastic
>> bristle hair brushes.  Using your method of freezing them it was
>> extremely easy to get the fruit off
>> the stems.  So, thanks a lot for that.
>>
>> I notice many very small stem pieces loose in the bag with the
>> berries so I will have to come up
>> with a method of separating these out.  I would think that spreading
>> them out on a terrycloth towel
>> or something like that and rolling the berries off might leave the
>> twigs behind in the cloth.  Maybe
>> they could be winnowed out.  Any other suggestions?
>>
>> Dan
>> St. Paul, MN, zone 4
>>
>> On 9/3/2011 6:56 AM, John Bunker wrote:
>>> We make elderberry juice.  We steam the berries and extract the
>>> juice.  Then we freeze it and use it later.  It has a strong flavor
>>> but we like it and it has never made us ill.  We have not tried
>> eating
>>> them uncooked.  One of our apprentices ate one S. pubens (Red
>> Elder)
>>> berry.  She decided not to do that again.
>>>
>>> A friend taught us one way to remove the berries from the stems
>> rather
>>> easily.  Freeze the clusters, stems and all in a plastic bag.  Then
>>> whack the bag against a counter or with a stick, etc.  Cut a small
>>> hole in the corner of the bag and then "pour" out the berries.
>>> JB
>>>
>>> John Bunker
>>> Fedco
>>> trees at fedcoseeds.com
>>> www.fedcoseeds.com
>>> PO Box 520
>>> Waterville ME 04903
>>> 207-873-7333
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2011, at 12:05 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>>>
>>>> It would be interesting to see an analysis of the elderberry goo
>>>> compound.  I wonder if the toxicity is part of what gets bound up
>> in
>>>> the goo in the juicing process.  The goo sticks to everything
>> along
>>>> the way, the primary, the juicer, siphons, so by the time it gets
>> in a
>>>> bottle there is very little sign of it.  I flunked chemistry in
>> high
>>>> school so I'm just wondering out loud.
>>>>
>>>> As for removing it.  The link I posted worked for surfaces where I
>>>> could rub oil on it first&   then scrub vigorously with a lot of
>> soap&
>>>> water.  The oil seems to break it down.  This process won't work
>> for
>>>> the inside of siphons&   for my glass secondary tho...  At last I
>> got
>>>> the primary bucket clean enough to fill it with another load of
>>>> elderberry must.
>>>>
>>>> ~mIEKAL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Jay
>> Cutts<orders at cuttsreviews.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I once got violently ill after eating elderberries right off the
>>>>> bush.
>>>>> Days later, when I had finally recovered, I did some research and
>>>>> found
>>>>> that the elderberry stems contain a toxin. I had stripped the
>> berries
>>>>> right off the clusters with my teeth (Ok, it was really hot out
>> and I
>>>>> was really parched and I didn't have the patience to pick one
>> berry
>>>>> at a
>>>>> time.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Any run into this? When  you mentioned bits of stem being
>> included I
>>>>> thought of this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jay
>>>>>
>>>>> Jay Cutts
>>>>> Director, Cutts Graduate Reviews
>>>>> Lead Author, Barron's Test Prep Publications
>>>>> (800) 353-4898
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