[NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 102, Issue 27

Larry D. Cook cookfrenchlick at yahoo.com
Sun Jul 31 01:43:17 EDT 2011


Whats with Jim Fruth and Jay Cutts? 
Lets not get tetsy,Jay only asked an innocent question. 
Larry D. Cook 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Self fertile Nanking Cherry (Stephen Sadler)
   2. Re: guavas (Stephen Sadler)
   3. Re: guavas (mIEKAL aND)
   4. Re: guavas (Lon J. Rombough)
   5. Re: guavas (david liezen)
   6. Re: guavas (david liezen)
   7. Re: How hardy is Carmine Jewel? (Leslie Moyer)
   8. Self fertile Nanking Cherry (Jim Fruth)
   9. Robins and Evans Cherries/ beads as decoys (Jim Fruth)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:52:26 -0700
From: "Stephen Sadler" <Docshiva at Docshiva.org>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Self fertile Nanking Cherry
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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I had the same experience when growing them - at least I think. We had them
in partial shade and the flavor was good, but none in the sun for
comparison. I like hearing this, though.

~ Stephen

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[mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:08 AM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Self fertile Nanking Cherry

I have Nankings growing in 4 locations / settings & I detect slight
differences of tart/sweet in ripe berries depending on location.  The
trees I have growing completely under the shade of a huge Silver maple
seem to be the most flavor & the sweetest.

~mIEKAL

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Jim Fruth <jimfruth at charter.net> wrote:
> Stephen Sadler asked, "Jim, how's the flavor?"
>
>
> ? ?Pleasantly sweet/tart. ?Good for eating out of hand.
>
> ? ?I should add that I only have the one plant so all I can offer to
anyone
> would be new wood to propagate.
>
> Jim Fruth
> Brambleberry Fruit Farm
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:59:27 -0700
From: "Stephen Sadler" <Docshiva at Docshiva.org>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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"Yuk" to la comida de Mexico? It's wonderfully varied: one of the four
"great cuisines," along with Chinese, Italian and French - with Spain vying
for inclusion, of not already there. But despite the great variety, each
does have a national character, doesn't it? And what you like can depend on
what you grew up with. I grew up with Southeastern Italian, Sonoran Mexican,
and Irish - northern Mexican is my favorite, but Irish is the comfort food. 
It does seem to surprise people that Latin American cuisines vary by
country. 
Since I think familiarity breeds comfort, and lack of it may breed culinary
contempt, I wonder where you're from? I had one friend who though even the
most mild Mexican food was too spicy. He was from Maine, and said the
hottest thing he could handle were those red potatoes...

~ Stephen

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[mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Ernest Plutko
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 8:58 AM
To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas

I am making plans to go back to Central America to continue our work.
I assumed the food in Costa Rica was like Mexican food,YUK.  It was
different and good and plenty of fruit was always served.  I will
seek out the guavas and see how many different kinds there are.

---- Original Message ----
From: quirky at videotron.ca
To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:12:50 -0400

>  My mother is from South America but now lives in Florida. She
>adores 
>guava jam and buys a brand from Brazil from her local grocery. Last
>time 
>she went to get some they didn't have any more, they only had a new 
>brand made in the US. She bought some but said it tasted nothing like
>
>the jam she's used to. More like a run-of-the mill jelly.
>
>I think it's really a different style altogether, but I know the
>fruit 
>flavour of the South American jam is very intense. As with
>everything, 
>it'a a question of taste.
>
>Caren Kirk
>St. Jerome, QC
>
>On 7/28/2011 9:14 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
>> I actually like the guava jelly better than guava jam.
>> Has a very rich taste.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On 7/28/2011 4:06 PM, Ernest Plutko wrote:
>>> I sent to Costa Rica for guava jam.  Just got two containers. 
>This
>>> jam is made with real sugar.  Tasted jam and at first did not like
>>> it.  I was expecting the over-sweet made with corn sugar jam like
>US
>>> jam.  The Costa Rica jam is tart and has a strong fruit taste.
>>> Tasted more and found that I like it.
>>>
>>> ---- Original Message ----
>>> From: ernestplutko at wiktel.com
>>> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 09:02:05 -0500
>>>
>>>> No, I did not bring back seeds.  We were taking DNA samples and I
>>>> later threw guavas away without tasting them because I became
>>>> preoccupied.  Wish I had examined the guavas carefully.
>>>>
>>>> ---- Original Message ----
>>>> From: 6ducks at gmail.com
>>>> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 06:05:26 -0400
>>>>
>>>>> Oooh, I love guavas.
>>>>> Eat em fresh!  You can find lots of recipes on line.
>>>>> Mostly dessert recipes, but some other things, too.
>>>>> But I've never seen any that were what I'd call orange.
>>>>> I have two trees on my back deck that I hope will flower this
>>>> summer.
>>>>> Did you bring back any seeds?
>>>>>
>>>>> Michele in SW Ohio
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
>>>>> [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Ernest
>Plutko
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:05 PM
>>>>> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
>>>>> Subject: [NAFEX] guavas
>>>>>
>>>>> I was in Costa Rica and collected a few fallen orange fruits
>under
>>>>> some trees.  They were guavas which had a very pleasant smell. 
>I
>>>>> have heard of guava jelly but is there anything else they are
>used
>>>>> for?
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:03:47 -0500
From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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I've had guavas growing in containers for many years but have yet to
get any fruit.  I've had them flower a few times but not had any set.
I'm assuming they are not self-fruitful?  Anyone know of particularly
good cultivars for container culture?

They make really good container trees, low maintenance, grow thru the
winter in the house.  I also have a few bonsaied in tiny pots & they
do well under those conditions as well.

~mIEKAL


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:24:22 -0700
From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom at hevanet.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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It would help to know WHICH species of guava everyone is talking about,  There are several tropical and some sub tropical "guavas".   Feijoa and Psidium are just two genera, to start with.
-Lon Rombough
Grapes, writing, consulting, book, The Grape Grower, at http://www.bunchgrapes.com  Winner  GWA "Best Talent in Writing"  2003. 
Grape pruning video: http://www.bunchgrapes.com/dvd.html View a short, low resolution clip here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q58zFY0B1M
A video about The Grape Grower : http://cookingupastory.com/index.php/2008/04/18/the-grape-grower/





On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:03 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:

I've had guavas growing in containers for many years but have yet to
get any fruit.  I've had them flower a few times but not had any set.
I'm assuming they are not self-fruitful?  Anyone know of particularly
good cultivars for container culture?

They make really good container trees, low maintenance, grow thru the
winter in the house.  I also have a few bonsaied in tiny pots & they
do well under those conditions as well.

~mIEKAL
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:30:39 +0000
From: david liezen <chandos49 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
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One of the many advantages to living in Salinas, CA was to be so close to Monterey Bay and Mexican restaurants: Mexican seafood! I'm trying not to drool on myself with memories.

Dave Liezen, living nearly two decades now in Spokane, E. WA, and where the Ashmead's Kernel chip bud from last summer is 14" tall and the Lord Lambourne and D'Arcy Spice benchgrafts (from Greenmantle) are doing fine.


> From: Docshiva at Docshiva.org
> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:59:27 -0700
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
> 
> "Yuk" to la comida de Mexico? It's wonderfully varied: one of the four
> "great cuisines," along with Chinese, Italian and French - with Spain vying
> for inclusion, of not already there. But despite the great variety, each
> does have a national character, doesn't it? And what you like can depend on
> what you grew up with. I grew up with Southeastern Italian, Sonoran Mexican,
> and Irish - northern Mexican is my favorite, but Irish is the comfort food. 
> It does seem to surprise people that Latin American cuisines vary by
> country. 
> Since I think familiarity breeds comfort, and lack of it may breed culinary
> contempt, I wonder where you're from? I had one friend who though even the
> most mild Mexican food was too spicy. He was from Maine, and said the
> hottest thing he could handle were those red potatoes...
> 
> ~ Stephen
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Ernest Plutko
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 8:58 AM
> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
> 
> I am making plans to go back to Central America to continue our work.
> I assumed the food in Costa Rica was like Mexican food,YUK. It was
> different and good and plenty of fruit was always served. I will
> seek out the guavas and see how many different kinds there are.
> 
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: quirky at videotron.ca
> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:12:50 -0400
> 
> > My mother is from South America but now lives in Florida. She
> >adores 
> >guava jam and buys a brand from Brazil from her local grocery. Last
> >time 
> >she went to get some they didn't have any more, they only had a new 
> >brand made in the US. She bought some but said it tasted nothing like
> >
> >the jam she's used to. More like a run-of-the mill jelly.
> >
> >I think it's really a different style altogether, but I know the
> >fruit 
> >flavour of the South American jam is very intense. As with
> >everything, 
> >it'a a question of taste.
> >
> >Caren Kirk
> >St. Jerome, QC
> >
> >On 7/28/2011 9:14 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
> >> I actually like the guava jelly better than guava jam.
> >> Has a very rich taste.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> On 7/28/2011 4:06 PM, Ernest Plutko wrote:
> >>> I sent to Costa Rica for guava jam. Just got two containers. 
> >This
> >>> jam is made with real sugar. Tasted jam and at first did not like
> >>> it. I was expecting the over-sweet made with corn sugar jam like
> >US
> >>> jam. The Costa Rica jam is tart and has a strong fruit taste.
> >>> Tasted more and found that I like it.
> >>>
> >>> ---- Original Message ----
> >>> From: ernestplutko at wiktel.com
> >>> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
> >>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 09:02:05 -0500
> >>>
> >>>> No, I did not bring back seeds. We were taking DNA samples and I
> >>>> later threw guavas away without tasting them because I became
> >>>> preoccupied. Wish I had examined the guavas carefully.
> >>>>
> >>>> ---- Original Message ----
> >>>> From: 6ducks at gmail.com
> >>>> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
> >>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 06:05:26 -0400
> >>>>
> >>>>> Oooh, I love guavas.
> >>>>> Eat em fresh! You can find lots of recipes on line.
> >>>>> Mostly dessert recipes, but some other things, too.
> >>>>> But I've never seen any that were what I'd call orange.
> >>>>> I have two trees on my back deck that I hope will flower this
> >>>> summer.
> >>>>> Did you bring back any seeds?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michele in SW Ohio
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> >>>>> [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Ernest
> >Plutko
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:05 PM
> >>>>> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> >>>>> Subject: [NAFEX] guavas
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was in Costa Rica and collected a few fallen orange fruits
> >under
> >>>>> some trees. They were guavas which had a very pleasant smell. 
> >I
> >>>>> have heard of guava jelly but is there anything else they are
> >used
> >>>>> for?
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:40:42 +0000
From: david liezen <chandos49 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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A question of taste and how much high fructose corn slurp is used to mask the flavor...

Dave


> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:12:50 -0400
> From: quirky at videotron.ca
> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
> 
> My mother is from South America but now lives in Florida. She adores 
> guava jam and buys a brand from Brazil from her local grocery. Last time 
> she went to get some they didn't have any more, they only had a new 
> brand made in the US. She bought some but said it tasted nothing like 
> the jam she's used to. More like a run-of-the mill jelly.
> 
> I think it's really a different style altogether, but I know the fruit 
> flavour of the South American jam is very intense. As with everything, 
> it'a a question of taste.
> 
> Caren Kirk
> St. Jerome, QC
> 
> On 7/28/2011 9:14 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
> > I actually like the guava jelly better than guava jam.
> > Has a very rich taste.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On 7/28/2011 4:06 PM, Ernest Plutko wrote:
> >> I sent to Costa Rica for guava jam. Just got two containers. This
> >> jam is made with real sugar. Tasted jam and at first did not like
> >> it. I was expecting the over-sweet made with corn sugar jam like US
> >> jam. The Costa Rica jam is tart and has a strong fruit taste.
> >> Tasted more and found that I like it.
> >>
> >> ---- Original Message ----
> >> From: ernestplutko at wiktel.com
> >> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
> >> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 09:02:05 -0500
> >>
> >>> No, I did not bring back seeds. We were taking DNA samples and I
> >>> later threw guavas away without tasting them because I became
> >>> preoccupied. Wish I had examined the guavas carefully.
> >>>
> >>> ---- Original Message ----
> >>> From: 6ducks at gmail.com
> >>> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] guavas
> >>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 06:05:26 -0400
> >>>
> >>>> Oooh, I love guavas.
> >>>> Eat em fresh! You can find lots of recipes on line.
> >>>> Mostly dessert recipes, but some other things, too.
> >>>> But I've never seen any that were what I'd call orange.
> >>>> I have two trees on my back deck that I hope will flower this
> >>> summer.
> >>>> Did you bring back any seeds?
> >>>>
> >>>> Michele in SW Ohio
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> >>>> [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Ernest Plutko
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 10:05 PM
> >>>> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> >>>> Subject: [NAFEX] guavas
> >>>>
> >>>> I was in Costa Rica and collected a few fallen orange fruits under
> >>>> some trees. They were guavas which had a very pleasant smell. I
> >>>> have heard of guava jelly but is there anything else they are used
> >>>> for?
> >>>>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:38:28 -0500
From: Leslie Moyer <unschooler at lrec.org>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] How hardy is Carmine Jewel?
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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I planted my first Carmine Jewel last fall in NE Oklahoma, zone 6b/7a.  We had a super-cold winter here with temps down to 25 below zero.  We had a very late freeze in May.  We had a dry early spring, followed by a wet late spring and then an extended drought for all of July with almost a month of temps over 100 degrees.  (It has been a CRAZY weather year--we had one day this spring where the temperature swing fluctuated 100 degrees in 24 hours!)  Anyway--my Carmine Jewel is getting along just fine with NO supplemental water.  The water hydrant closest to it has been broken (water pump failure) until a few days ago so I haven't been able to water there.  It didn't flower this year, so I don't know yet if it will produce a crop this far south (I haven't seen a southern zone for it yet--has anyone?), but I have no doubt, after this summer weather, that it will LIVE in the south just fine.  It's planted near my Nankings and my Hansens....my Hansens
 are doing fine, too, but my Na
nkings are looking a little thirsty.

Leslie Moyer
unschooler at lrec.org
www.ShadyGroveNaturalFarm.com



On Jul 27, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Caren Kirk wrote:

>  Ernest, I second Sarah's comments about the U of S cherries' 
> hardiness. I've had my Carmine Jewel for about 5 years now and a Romeo 
> and Crimson Passion for about 3 and despite having very different and 
> varied weather conditions throughout those years and seasons, I've never 
> had any hardiness problems with them.


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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:38:23 -0500
From: "Jim Fruth" <jimfruth at charter.net>
Subject: [NAFEX] Self fertile Nanking Cherry
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Jay Cutts said, "I'm wondering if there are some wild cherries in the area that could also be contributing some pollen.  So the question is whether your plant has some truly unique properties."    

    I assure you that if there were any wild cherries around, I would know about it.  Why do you think you know more than I about what is happening here?

Jim Fruth
Brambleberry Fruit Farm
4002 Davis Street
Pequot Lakes, MN  56472
1-218-831-7018 (My Cell) 




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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:48:33 -0500
From: "Jim Fruth" <jimfruth at charter.net>
Subject: [NAFEX] Robins and Evans Cherries/ beads as decoys
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James Erdman wrote, "I had some copper wire that fit the hole in the beads 
and I flattened the end of the piece of wire so the bead was stuck on the 
wire, then put them on the tree with a couple of turns around the limb."


    If you do several turns of the wire around the limb, the wire may not 
loosen as limb diameter grows and you'll need to redo each bead every year 
or so.  I use a three quarter turn of wire so it expands as the limb 
expands.

Jim Fruth
Brambleberry Fruit Farm
4002 Davis Street
Pequot Lakes, MN  56472
1-218-831-7018 (My Cell) 



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