[NAFEX] Forum and Pomona

Deb S debs913 at gmail.com
Thu Aug 11 16:30:07 EDT 2011


The person who was doing this work before was the membership chair.  She is
(much deservedly) retired from that position.

I'll see if I can keep usage stats on how members are accessing the various
formats, but another reason I am doing individual articles in HTML is so
that eventually we can have a searchable database of all articles.  That way
if you are interested in blueberries, for instance, you can pull up the
entire archive of blueberry articles.  That's the goal, anyway.  You can't
get to the article level in indexing and display in a PDF file. (Well
perhaps Google can, but not moi).

deb

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Leslie Moyer <unschooler at lrec.org> wrote:

> Deb,
>
> I have to wonder if you're making it too hard for yourself.  When we went
> to the online issues, you (or someone? not the members, anyway) were the one
> who decided to upload each article on a separate page with separate links to
> each article and full-color photographs vs. doing just the one-document pdf
> and/or html file that just duplicates the old-format newsletter.  It seems
> like unnecessary work to me.  It would be interesting to know how members
> are reading it (or not reading it)....perhaps an online survey (or--better
> yet--a postcard survey) could be set up to assess this after this full year
> online?
>
> I'd like to point out that your correction wasn't necessary....what I said
> was that when the Pomona FIRST went online several months ago (a year ago,
> now?)  this was the case, but now it has been remedied and I am very
> appreciative out here in the boonies!
>
> I've already suggested ways to pay for a print newsletter (while at the
> same time saying I don't necessarily think it is necessary any longer now
> that better download formats are available). That is, charge print
> subscribers more--charge them the FULL and ACTUAL cost of the print
> newsletter--which I think should have been happening all along.  As for who
> to do it....yes, as a board member of several other organizations now and in
> the past, I know that is always the unresolved question.....  Presumably
> someone was doing all of that before it all went online, correct?
>
> Leslie Moyer
> unschooler at lrec.org
> www.ShadyGroveNaturalFarm.com
>
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Deb S wrote:
>
> > Small correction...ALL of the online issues are available in a variety of
> > formats including one PDF file.  The individual articles and the full
> issue
> > are also available in HTML as the HTML is the fastest loading for those
> with
> > slow connections.
> >
> > I intend to add older issues too, but this will be a slow process.  It
> takes
> > me a good solid 40 hours to put an issue online, which is a big chunk of
> > time.
> >
> > As to offering online and print...it would be nice, but does anyone have
> > suggestions on 1) how to pay for it?  and 2) who will do the work
> handling
> > the print issues and 3) who will keep track of who gets what?
> >
> > I can tell ya'll right now that *I* am not willing to add those duties to
> > handling membership work and managing the website.
> >
> > It's all well and good to want these things, but I don't see anyone
> stepping
> > up and volunteering to pay for them and do the work involved.
> >
> > deb
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Leslie Moyer <unschooler at lrec.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I think the forum will die a natural death.  I would suggest that anyone
> >> who wants to stay here and talk just stay here and talk. Unless the
> board
> >> votes to completely kill this list (which I haven't heard anyone say
> yet),
> >> then I think this issue will take care of itself.
> >>
> >> I think that Pomona switched too quickly to the online version before
> the
> >> editor and/or webmaster had the kinks worked out.  The first 2 or 3
> issues
> >> were IMPOSSIBLY annoying to access and I think it gave many people a
> very
> >> bad impression of an already-contentious issue.  However, with this
> summer
> >> 2011 issue, it is finally available as ONE pdf file and can be
> downloaded
> >> more quickly, read more easily and printed out fairly easily.
>  Personally, I
> >> still don't like some things about it (the fact that I have to go to the
> >> website and log in to get it), but I'm willing to live with that.  I
> don't
> >> think it's unreasonable, however, to offer a "printed membership" to
> those
> >> who would rather receive a paper copy.  "Growing For Market" and other
> >> magazines do this.
> >>
> >> I'm appreciative of the volunteers working on these issues. It's a sign
> of
> >> how important this group is to people that our emotions run high about
> it!
> >>
> >> Leslie Moyer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Betty Mayfield wrote:
> >>
> >>> To the list,
> >>>
> >>> I have gone through my files and find discussion in the summer of
> >>> 2009 about the formation of a forum but no announcement that one was
> >> formed.
> >>>
> >>> There was discussion last December (2010) about whether Pomona should
> >>> be changed to online. It was said that printing the copy would be too
> >>> expensive and cause NAFEX to go broke, but no breakdown of expenses was
> >> given.
> >>>
> >>> In July 2011 there was an announcement that Pomona was going online
> >>> but no indication as to whether this was a substitution for the
> >>> printed copy or an addition to it.
> >>>
> >>> I prefer to read the printed copy stretched out on the couch with my
> >>> cat in my lap.
> >>>
> >>> Betty Mayfield
> >>> northwest Oregon
> >>>
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