[NAFEX] Ernest's Evans cherries

Ernest Plutko ernestplutko at wiktel.com
Tue Jun 22 15:34:46 EDT 2010

Some good info on Evans http://www.forums2gardenweb.com/forums/.../msg
0223441021460.html    Other info on NAFEX year 2000

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From: nave1 at comcast.net
To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Ernest's Evans cherries
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:31:40 -0500

>Well, I expect I am mistaken about them coming in true from seed.  I
>a bit of a novice in this field.
>Still, it seemed odd to graft a hardy tree onto a not-so-hardy root 
>stock.  The idea that this is to prevent suckering seems reasonable.
>I'm near St. Paul, Minnesota.
>Douglas Woodard wrote:
>> Dan, what you have heard does not agree with what I have heard from
>> very well-informed person, which is that Evans does not come true
>> seed and that Evans seedlings are not even cold-hardy at Edmonton.
>> What is the source of your information, and where are you?
>> Growing sour cherries on their own roots is apparently not that
>> and tissue culture is the favoured way. Evidently some nurseries
>> to graft, perhaps to have the whole process under their own
>> You may be interested in the articles linked at
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evans_Cherry
>> Doug Woodard
>> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>> Dan Nave wrote:
>>> Why would one bother to graft Evans since it it is hearty on it's
>>> roots and supposedly grows true from seed?...
>>> Dan
>>> Douglas Woodard wrote:
>>>> Ernest, grafted trees from commercial sources would probably be
>>>> on Mazzard or Mahaleb. If I remember rightly you are in a
>>>> cold area of northern Minnesota. I would expect your temperatures
>>>> damage (in a warm winter unless with heavy snow cover) or kill
>>>> Mazzard or Mahaleb. Mahaleb is fussy about good drainage, likes a
>>>> subsoil. Any hardy rootstock readily available cheap to a
>>>> nursery is likely to suffer from compatibility problems. The only
>>>> rootstock I can think of that *might* suit is Prunus X
>>>> Frank Skinner's creation. Forty years ago East Malling did some
>>>> with it as a stock for sweet cherries, and from what I recall
>>>> some clones of it were compatible with sweets and some were not.
>>>> If your sources were what I would consider fully competent and 
>>>> honourable, they would have told you what rootstock they were
>using - 
>>>> unless maybe they were afraid their competition would find out
>about it.
>>>> This kind of competitive pressure is one of the curses of the
>>>> business. It's extremely hard to know if your supplier is
>>>> secretive, or crooked or irresponsible.
>>>> Doug Woodard
>>>> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>>>> Ernest Plutko wrote:
>>>>> "Before" means before I buried grafts.  I was not doing a
>>>>> study.  I was just trying to get trees to live through winters.
>>>>> bought trees from several sources. Local and mail-order. It is
>>>>> possible burying graft is just protecting graft from winter
>>>>> This fall I will probe around buried trunks to see if roots have
>>>>> grown from Evans trunks.  I'll look up Evans own-root sources
>and let
>>>>> you know.
>>>>> ---- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: murphman108 at msn.com
>>>>> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
>>>>> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Ernest's Evans cherries
>>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 03:14:46 +0000
>>>>>> Hello Ernest;
>>>>>> I am interested in your Evans story. The trees that you buried
>>>>>> graft union were better 'than before'. What does 'than before'
>>>>>> Did you plant some at the same time from the same batch without
>>>>>> burying the graft? Same plant source? This is a decent finding
>>>>>> your part. Please elaborate. Also, who is the 'own root' Evans
>>>>>> tree source?
>>>>>> Murph
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