[NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)

John S swim_at_svc at yahoo.com
Fri Oct 30 15:18:05 EDT 2009


Lee,  I guess I must be lucky as my King Red lasted 5 or 6 years.  It thrived the first couple of years, then picked up a disease of some sort.  It rapidly went from a foot or so to about 6', then went into decline.
 
John



--- On Fri, 10/30/09, Lee Reich <lreich at hvc.rr.com> wrote:


From: Lee Reich <lreich at hvc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] tree gooseberries (and grafting)
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 2:59 PM


Hi Jim, 


Any chance that I could get a half-dozen or so seeds of igde from you for planting? Years ago I got some from the USDA but they never germinated. 


In my book about uncommon fruits, I wrote that the seeds did not germinate readily, often waiting until the second season unless they were nicked, soaked in acid, kept warm and moist for a few weeks, cracked out of their seed coats, or washed for 6 days to leach out inhibitors. Sounds like you found none of this to be true. (Maybe I read my own book too closely about how hard the seeds are to germinate!)


If your seedlings are growing well, you're probably home free. Whenever I've put in plants of King Red, they've always collapsed before the end of their first season, something Hector Black, in Tennessee, also noted.


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On Oct 30, 2009, at 1:44 PM, <jelie at new.rr.com> <jelie at new.rr.com> wrote:


John,

I have been hearing about the die-back issues with King Red Russian Olive for years so last fall I purchased some Eleaegnus orientalis seeds from a Middle-eastern grocer and after a dormancy period close to that of apple seeds I now have about thirty seedlings growing in the yard.  I haven't noticed any issues with them as of yet.  Our typical snow cover should get them through the winter if the mice leave them alone.

The seeds are sold from Persian grocers as "senjed" or "sencet" and from Turkish grocers as "igde" (pronounced "e day").  There are some nice pics online of the igde fruit on flicr, if I am not mistaken.

I do also have the two varieties of Trebizond Date which I purchased from from One Green World a couple years ago. I haven't had a problem with die-back but growth has been steady.

I don't know how seriously you would like to get Russian Olive but growing from seed is an easy, albeit, much longer option.

Take Care,

Jim Elie
Green Bay WI
z4/5


---- John S <swim_at_svc at yahoo.com> wrote: 

Lee,  I have a couple of attempts going now. ......

 

I've been focused on trying to graft my dying King Red Russian Olive to autumn olive rootstock (your excellent book mentions the problems keeping King Red alive), but so far none of the grafts have taken - don't know whether its my technique or an incompatibility.  I think the King Red finally failed this fall.

 

Raintree sells standards of gooseberries from time to time.

 

John




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