[NAFEX] Manganese in Greensand

Ernest Plutko ernestplutko at wiktel.com
Tue Jun 23 13:27:22 EDT 2009


Manure nstead of greensand.  I only use composted manure.  Bacteria
rot uncomposted organic material in the ground and suck up other soil
nutrients for their growth starving the plants.  If you have fish
guts and heads, grind them and put in water for about a week and
spread goop on soil for a wonderful fertilizer. Use a fence to keep
out critters. Smell quickly goes away.  Algonquin Indians knew what
they were doing.

Ernest Plutko  BS & MS Chemistry   zone 2/3



---- Original Message ----
From: waehner at gmail.com
To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Manganese in Greensand
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:42:29 -0400

>*Use manure or ground fish guts.  Soil chemistry is complex.*
>
>I take it you mean "use manure or ground fish guts instead of
>greensand"  Or
>could you possibly mean "use manure to fix the magnesium problem"
>
>I had a bad experience this year with half composted horse manure.  I
>believe that some nutrients were in excess and caused deficencies in
>others.  I'm going to get some soil tests before cabbage season.
>
>The fruit trees are fine- all they get is a lot of mulch and a little
>composted chicken litter.  I think most home orchardists fertilize
>too much.
>
>
>
>On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Ernest Plutko
><ernestplutko at wiktel.com>wrote:
>
>> Use manure or ground fish guts.  Soil chemistry is complex.
>>
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: jimfruth at charter.net
>> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Manganese in Greensand
>> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:56:03 -0500
>>
>> >Mathew Waehner asked, "It seems that a lot of people use greensand
>> >without
>> >ill
>> >effects.  Any documentation, beyond your own soil tests?"
>> >
>> >   My information mainly comes from what my soils people tell me
>when
>> >I send
>> >in a soil sample from my raspberry beds.  I've got raspberry
>plants
>> >that
>> >exhibit the chlorosis normally seen in plants that were sprayed
>with
>> >Round
>> >Up.  Some time in the past, greensand was broadcast in that area. 
>I
>> >normally would not expect manganese to be a problem until the pH
>> >drops below
>> >5 but some other, unknown, mechanism seems to be at play. 
>Removing
>> >the
>> >spent canes away from that area is slowly lowering the incidence
>of
>> >toxicity.
>> >    I'm glad you asked the question because, after checking
>online,
>> >it
>> >appears there are two compounds called "greensand", greensand and
>> >manganese
>> >greensand.  The person who broadcast "greensand" here bought his
>> >product
>> >from a water filtration business, a company that uses manganese
>> >greensand.
>> >Checking my Handbook of Chemistry, I learned that the other
>greensand
>> >does
>> >not contain manganese.  So it is me that was confused and if you
>> >hadn't
>> >asked the question, I'd still be confused.
>> >
>> >Jim Fruth
>> >Brambleberry Farm
>> >Pequot Lakes, MN  56472
>> >For jams, jellies, syrups and more:
>> >www.jellygal.com
>> >1-877-265-6856 (Toll Free)
>> >1-218-831-7018 (My Cell)
>> >
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