[NAFEX] Pomona time again!

Jacquelyn Kuehn jakuehn at verizon.net
Fri Jul 24 17:30:25 EDT 2009


I am in need of quite a few more articles for the fall Pomona; your  
experiences and observations are valuable to all. If you have a few  
minutes, please write them down and send them along to me. Thanks to  
all who have already submitted something for fall!
Jacquelyn A. Kuehn
Musician, writer
http://www.pennsacreskitchen.net
www.wmugradio.org
11 AM-12:30 PM M-F (Eastern)



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>    1. California's screwed tree crops (Alan Haigh)
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>    3. Re: California's screwed tree crops (Ernest Plutko)
>    4. Re: California's screwed tree crops (Mark Angermayer)
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> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:36:38 -0700
> From: Alan Haigh <alandhaigh at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] California's screwed tree crops
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> Please members, can we refrain from another fruitless debate on global
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> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:49:08 -0400
> From: "Ginda Fisher" <list at ginda.us>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] California's screwed tree crops
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>,
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> Sure, I don't want to fight about global warming today. ?I do want to  
> elaborate a little on the prior post, from Richard Harrison, asserting  
> an increase in hill hours in some warmer states.
>
> That's not inconsistent with global warming. ?My understanding is that  
> chill hours are not hours when it's really cold, but are only hours  
> when it's sorta chilly (near or above freezing, up to 40 or 50F), when  
> the trees are metabolically active but 'feel cold'. ? I gather that in  
> very cold places the native ?trees don't need a lot of chill hours,  
> since they have to come out of dormancy quickly and do their thing.  
> ?It's places with long bumpy springs and late frosts where the local  
> trees have adapted by needing a lot of chill hours.
>
> So if global warming is linked in some areas with a longer spring, you  
> could easily get both higher average temps and more or similar chill  
> hours.
>
> Also, the US is a large country with lots of climate zones, some quite  
> chilly. ?Surely agricultural plantings can move north if we get even  
> quite a lot of global warming. ?Concurrant disruption of rainfall  
> patterns is a more serious agricultural threat, but I'm sure the US  
> will continue to be able to grow food _somewhere_, however cliate  
> change plays out.
>
> -- Ginda
>
> Alan Haigh wrote:
>
> Please members, can we refrain from another fruitless debate on global  
> warming?
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> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:03:59 -0500
> From: "Ernest Plutko" <ernestplutko at wiktel.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] California's screwed tree crops
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> Every writer has opinions that are interesting to read.
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> ---- Original Message ----
> From: alandhaigh at gmail.com
> To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] California's screwed tree crops
> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:36:38 -0700
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>> Please members, can we refrain from another fruitless debate on globa
>> l
>> warming?
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>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:13:00 -0500
> From: "Mark Angermayer" <hangermayer at isp.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] California's screwed tree crops
> To: "Ginda Fisher" <list at ginda.us>,	"North American Fruit Explorers"
> 	<nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I've no opinon on global warming, but do have an opinon on predictions.
> They tend to be extremely fallable, even by learned folks.  I thought  
> an
> article in the last Pomona illustrated this remarkably.  The article  
> was
> written by an educated man, Dan Henenway, who used to participate on  
> this
> forum.  The original article was written in 1983, and was reprinted by
> permission in the last Pomona.  The article is a call to action for  
> urban
> communities to grow their own food.  Agricultural errors aside, the  
> article
> makes two predictions illustrating man's non-niscience.
>
> First, the article states that although California provides nearly two
> thirds of our vegetables today (1983) by the year 2000, California  
> "will be
> barely self-sufficient in food for its own people."   This did not  
> come to
> pass.  California' is still the number one state exporter of most  
> fruits,
> and virtually all vegetables.  California has also become the number  
> one
> producer of milk, surpassing Wisconsin.
>
> The article further states, "And bear in mind that the U.S. Department  
> of
> Agriculture predicts that by 2000 a loaf of bread will cost you well  
> over
> $7.00."  Here we are a decade later, and a loaf of bread in these parts
> costs about 2 bucks.
>
> I've come to take these type of predictions with a grain of salt.
>
> If there's a food shortage in the U.S, I doubt it will be caused by  
> drought,
> climate change, or pests.  War, economic collapse, and corrupt  
> governments
> are generally the cause in the modern era.
>
> Mark
> KS
>
> P.S. Although I disagree with much of what Mr. Hemenway wrote, I agree  
> its a
> good idea for folks to be more self-sufficient when it come to growing  
> food.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ginda Fisher
> To: North American Fruit Explorers ; nafex at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] California's screwed tree crops
>
>
> Sure, I don't want to fight about global warming today.  I do want to
> elaborate a little on the prior post, from Richard Harrison, asserting  
> an
> increase in hill hours in some warmer states.
>
> That's not inconsistent with global warming.  My understanding is that  
> chill
> hours are not hours when it's really cold, but are only hours when it's
> sorta chilly (near or above freezing, up to 40 or 50F), when the trees  
> are
> metabolically active but 'feel cold'.   I gather that in very cold  
> places
> the native  trees don't need a lot of chill hours, since they have to  
> come
> out of dormancy quickly and do their thing.  It's places with long  
> bumpy
> springs and late frosts where the local trees have adapted by needing  
> a lot
> of chill hours.
>
> So if global warming is linked in some areas with a longer spring, you  
> could
> easily get both higher average temps and more or similar chill hours.
>
> Also, the US is a large country with lots of climate zones, some quite
> chilly.  Surely agricultural plantings can move north if we get even  
> quite a
> lot of global warming.  Concurrant disruption of rainfall patterns is  
> a more
> serious agricultural threat, but I'm sure the US will continue to be  
> able to
> grow food _somewhere_, however cliate change plays out.
>
>
> -- Ginda
>
>
>
>
> Alan Haigh wrote:
>
> Please members, can we refrain from another fruitless debate on global
> warming?
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