[NAFEX] Frozen (?) apples

Lon J. Rombough lonrom at hevanet.com
Wed Nov 5 12:32:19 EST 2008

Richard Fahey, Nafex's apple interest group chairman, has selected a 
lot of what he calls "dummy" apples - varieties that will hang on into 
the winter.  He collects frozen fruit from the trees and presses them 
for a very sweet, clear juice in the midst of winter.
-Lon Rombough
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On Nov 5, 2008, at 7:29 AM, kelly at theravenrocks.com wrote:

My experience is that the varieties that survive frost, freezing, 
disease, drought, etc. are always the least desirable ones.
Kelly Coffey
western North Carolina
> -----Original Message-----
> From: D Stubbs [mailto:dsmndel at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 08:32 AM
> To: 'North American Fruit Explorers'
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Frozen (?) apples
> This is an important subject to cold climate growers, but so far I 
> haven't found anything that relates why one apple frost damages at 27F 
> and another at 15F.  Makes me wonder if I should get a brix 
> refractometer ( any apple growers out there find them handy?) , but 
> the apples I am thinking of seemed to have a similar sweetness. Does 
> anyone know the mechanism that regulates frost damage - Cell 
> structure? Sugar Starch Content?  Parentage? Ripeness?
> Del,  2b/3a  n. Mn
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Steve <sdw12986 at aol.com> wrote:
>> Lucky Pittman inspired this comment when he asked what temperature 
>> would
>> damage his late apples. This isn't intended to be another answer for 
>> him
>> but more a story about what I just experienced.
>> Honeygold is about the latest ripening apple I dare to grow here. Some
>> years, they aren't very good because the season wasn't long/warm 
>> enough.
>>  I mentioned some months ago about how I didn't spray a fungicide this
>> year due to rain, wind, or both just about every day in the early part
>> of the summer. The Honeygolds suffered greatly from this and were 
>> badly
>> spotted and scarred by scab. (The high speed hail storm in June didn't
>> help their looks either.) I wanted to thin them heavily to get rid of
>> the most damaged fruit but they were so bad that I lost interest and
>> never did thin them properly.
>> I picked the best of them before we had a hard frost but left most of
>> them on the tree, thinking I would pick and discard the rest. (I still
>> hope to do that.)
>> I walked out there today and noticed that there were still some decent
>> Honeygolds up in the tree. I tasted one and it was good so I picked a
>> dozen more of the better ones and took them inside. I have eaten two
>> more today. If someone had asked me the same question about how cold 
>> can
>> they go without damage, I would have answered upper to maybe mid 20s.
>> Here's the point of all this. We had a prediction last weekend of 10 
>> or
>> 11 degrees for the low. Today I checked my recording thermometer, 
>> which
>> is wired to a different apple tree near the Honeygold and my yard went
>> down to 15 degrees Saturday night. I do believe the texture of the
>> apples I picked today is slightly different but they are still good. 
>> If
>> you tell me they would now not store as well, I would believe it. I'm
>> just surprised they are still very edible after 15 degrees. Any 
>> comments?
>> Steve in the Adirondacks (Zone 4a on the map, zone 3 by the 
>> thermometer)
> -- 
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