[NAFEX] red fleshed apples

Martha L. Davis martha_davis at earthlink.net
Sun Jan 6 23:59:22 EST 2008

Hi Bob,  
I've seen the Greenmantle site it's good, though hard for me to assess how any of their varieties would do here.  The climate seems pretty different and the red fleshed ones  are reputed to be climate specific.  Greenmantle looks on the map like it would be cool, but sounds from the web site like it is hot.  I've seen the Hocking Hills site as well which is also good.  The Maple Valley orchard site has a few descriptions that I hadn't seen any where else.  I've seen a lot of info saying that Arlie's Red Flesh and Hidden Rose are the same or possible the same.  It's really interesting to hear from someone who is growing both and says that they are clearly different. There are a number pink and Red fleshed varieties mentioned in the book Cornucopia II though the focus tends to be the California ones.  There are a few I've never heard of anywhere else Purple Passion for instance.

I like a sweet tart apple often. Currently I am thinking of trying Bills Red Fleshed, I have Hidden Rose though it has yet to fruit, and perhaps Redford or Redfield for baking.  I'd be tempted by Pink Pearl except for the scab and the mixed experience I've had tasting it.

Hi Martha,
I have had some interest in the "red fleshed" apples although most of them seem pretty tart to me.  If you haven't seen Greenmantle's website on their Rosetta collection you might want to take a look, http://www.greenmantlenursery.com/fruit/rosetta-apples.htm.  I have the Arlie's Red Flesh, Hidden Rose, Pink Pearl, Mott's Pink, and at one time I had Alamata but it never grew right for me.  I also have the Rubiyat which hasn't fruited yet.  Besides being too tart for me they tend to be scab susceptible.  Here in western Washington we need varieties that are resistant to scab.  They do make beautiful applesauce too.  Pink Pearl is the best one of the bunch that I have grown.
The Arlie's Red Flesh and the Hidden Rose that I have are entirely different.  The Arlie's Red Flesh is bright red like the picture of Niedzwetzkyana on Greenmantle's site.
western Washington
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Subject: [NAFEX] Red Fleshed apples

I have gotten more interested in red fleshed apples and it has been a few years since I have seen much discussion on them  maybe it is is time for another go round.   

Many places say that the coloring is climate dependent. Ed said less color as they go south.  I assume that is temperature based rather than day-length based.   A lot of them seem to be fairly tart to sweet tart, some (many?) too tart for fresh eating.  Ed said that Pink Pearl and Hidden Rose were the ones he had experience with that had detectable sugars.    A description of the Niedzwetzkyana Crab pie got my attention.  Supposedly like cherry pie but whether that was color or flavor or both I don't know. I have also heard it is 3 inches in diameter too large to be called crab.  I have also hear that it is a good tannin source for cider.  

I have been poking around in books and on the web. Here is something of a variety list which I don't have much experience with. I have tasted Pink Pearl twice.  Once as grown in California it was OK another time when grown in Indiana it thought it was bitter.  I tried Grenadine at the California tasting a few years ago and that was good but not outstanding.  Not something I would think about without the color. Based on what I have dug up some are very hardy zone 3 some zone 6 some who knows. A fair number appear to bloom early &/or get scab.

Has anyone experience with any of these? I am especially interested in Hardiness many of the California ones list zone 6. I'd like zone 4.  I m also especially interested in which ones are worth eating fresh or really good for cooking as opposed to, I might as well make sauce because what else can I do with it.

Alamata, Burford Red Flesh, Bill's red flesh(aka Scarlet Surprise)  Hidden Rose (AKA Aerlie Red Flesh), Firecracker, Geneva crab, Giant Russian may be the same as Russian Giant Crab, Grenadine, Niedzwetzkyana, Pink Pearmain(AKA Pink Sparkle), Pink Pairfait, Mott's Pink, Pink Parfait (Motts), (I'm not sure if these three are the same), Pink Princess (same as Jansen's Pink Lady not same as Cripp's Pink Pink Lady), Pink Old Lady, Purple Passion, Raven, Red Field, Thornberry,  Rubiyat, Winter Red fleshed.  I haven't included many of the ones that seem to be pale pink or pink stained.


Zone 4 high elevation New Mexico  Cool summers with a short season
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