[NAFEX] Looking for Canadian sources of old French apples

kerry maser prairiegrapes at yahoo.ca
Wed Feb 13 20:36:08 EST 2008


Hi ; If you have access to some of the old historical publications eg. Downing"s Fruits and Fruit Trees of America or the Canadian Fruit, Flower and Kitchen Garden cross reference some of the names and you"ll find that a lot of varieties had different names. A lot of this had to do with different regions, countries or individual growers or nurseries. It makes it really interesting when you are trying to identify or name heritage cultivars. A lot of the old cultivars may exist but they could be named differently. It requires a lot of research and can be quite time consuming. That's the great thing about NAFEX. Feel free to email me if you have any questions. Cheers Kim

Drevniok <colleendaly at videotron.ca> wrote:  
Hi,

I receive scions from the Canadian Clonal Genebank. Margie 
Luffman provides an invaluable service; her email
address is: luffmanm at agr.gc.ca

About 3 years ago I received a listing of all the apples they 
have in their collection. Ask Margie where/how to get it.

sincerely,

Peter Drevniok,
Gatineau, Quebec


Claude Jolicoeur wrote:
> Unfortunately, I don't have any of the varieties you are seeking 
> except the Court-pendu Plat - however, it is not hardy in my location 
> and although it does survive, it doesn't grow any wood that I could 
> collect and send you. Some of the varieties you are seeking were in 
> the collection of the late Fred Janson who lived in Ontario and should 
> still be available in Canada. These include:
> Calville Rouge (d'automne however), Court-pendu Plat, and Drap d'Or.
>
> I also note that Belle fille is a synonym of Reinette Grise, Rambour 
> d'été a synonym of Summer Rambo, Rambour d'hiver of Winter Rambo, and 
> Reinette musquée of Margil - all those are known in N.America and it 
> should be possible to find them.
>
> Have you tried the Canadian Clonal Genebank? The curator, Margie 
> Luffman, sometimes writes in this list and you should be able to find 
> her email address in the archives.
>
> I am afraid I am not very helpful, but hopefully this will 
> nevertheless help a little bit...
>
> Claude Jolicoeur
> Quebec
>
>
> A 10:40 08.02.12 -0400, vous avez écrit :
> >>>>
> Simon de Rasilly established one of the earliest French settlements in 
> the New World at the mouth of the LaHave River in Nova Scotia, in 
> 1632. He planted apple trees - varieties unknown. The museum 
> personnel at the site want to re-establish an orchard of varieties he 
> _could_ have brought. I have been working since 2003 to get scions 
> through the National Germplasm Repository, but things aren't looking 
> hopeful. Do any Canadian members, just by chance, have any of the 
> following: Api Noir, Belle Fille, Calville Rose, Calville Rouge 
> d'hiver, Chataignier, Coeur de Boeuf, Court Pendu, Double Rose, 
> Drap d'Or, Fenouillet Gris (Pomme d'Anis) (note: this *not* Pomme 
> d'Api), Patte de Loup, Pigeonet Blanc, Pomme Glac, Pomme-Poire, 
> Rambour d'Ete (syn. R. Blanc, Notre Dame), Rambour d'Hiver, Rateau, 
> Reinette Blanche, Reinette Musquee, Rose de Beranger, Royal Russe.
> All these date from prior to 1630.
> (It is not practical to try to get wood from the States or elsewhere - 
> all Malus wood has to be virus indexed to import, and nobody is going 
> to have virus indexed an apple grown since the 1600's. It probably 
> isn't totally ridiculous - the entire fruit industry in Ontario was 
> threatened a few years back by somebody who brought scion wood across 
> the border and introduced plum pox virus in the Niagara peninsula.) 
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