[NAFEX] Looking for Canadian sources of old French apples

Drevniok colleendaly at videotron.ca
Wed Feb 13 18:25:51 EST 2008


         I receive scions from the Canadian Clonal Genebank. Margie 
Luffman provides an invaluable service; her email
     address is: luffmanm at agr.gc.ca

       About 3 years ago I received a listing of all the apples they 
have in their collection. Ask Margie where/how to get it.


                Peter Drevniok,
                Gatineau, Quebec

Claude Jolicoeur wrote:
> Unfortunately, I don't have any of the varieties you are seeking 
> except the Court-pendu Plat - however, it is not hardy in my location 
> and although it does survive, it doesn't grow any wood that I could 
> collect and send you. Some of the varieties you are seeking were in 
> the collection of the late Fred Janson who lived in Ontario and should 
> still be available in Canada. These include:
> Calville Rouge (d'automne however), Court-pendu Plat, and Drap d'Or.
> I also note that Belle fille is a synonym of Reinette Grise, Rambour 
> d'été a synonym of Summer Rambo, Rambour d'hiver of Winter Rambo, and 
> Reinette musquée of Margil - all those are known in N.America and it 
> should be possible to find them.
> Have you tried the Canadian Clonal Genebank? The curator, Margie 
> Luffman, sometimes writes in this list and you should be able to find 
> her email address in the archives.
> I am afraid I am not very helpful, but hopefully this will 
> nevertheless help a little bit...
> Claude Jolicoeur
> Quebec
> A 10:40 08.02.12 -0400, vous avez écrit :
> >>>>
> Simon de Rasilly established one of the earliest French settlements in 
> the New World at the mouth of the LaHave River in Nova Scotia, in 
> 1632.  He planted apple trees - varieties unknown.  The museum 
> personnel at the site want to re-establish an orchard of varieties he 
> _could_ have brought.  I have been working since 2003 to get scions 
> through the National Germplasm Repository, but things aren't looking 
> hopeful.  Do any Canadian members, just by chance, have any of the 
> following: Api Noir,  Belle Fille,  Calville Rose,  Calville Rouge 
> d'hiver,  Chataignier,  Coeur de Boeuf,  Court Pendu,  Double Rose,  
> Drap d'Or,  Fenouillet Gris (Pomme d'Anis) (note: this *not* Pomme 
> d'Api),  Patte de Loup,  Pigeonet Blanc,  Pomme Glac, Pomme-Poire,  
> Rambour d'Ete (syn. R.  Blanc, Notre Dame),  Rambour d'Hiver, Rateau,  
> Reinette Blanche,   Reinette Musquee,   Rose de Beranger,  Royal Russe.
> All these date from prior to 1630.
> (It is not practical to try to get wood from the States or elsewhere - 
> all Malus wood has to be virus indexed to import, and nobody is going 
> to have virus indexed an apple grown since the 1600's.  It probably 
> isn't totally ridiculous - the entire fruit industry in Ontario was 
> threatened a few years back by somebody who brought scion wood across 
> the border and introduced plum pox virus in the Niagara peninsula.) 
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