[NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 71, Issue 26

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the honeycrisp is our #1 for drying, unbeatable
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>    1.  apples for drying (Scott Smith)
>    2. Re: apples for drying (H?l?ne Dessureault)
>    3. apples for drying (Pete Tallman)
>    4. Re: apples for drying (Jim Cooper)
>    5. Re: Apple pressing-hydraulic (D Stubbs)
>    6. Re: Apple pressing / supplies (D Stubbs)
>    7. Important question for Lon (Dale Burkholder)
>    8. Re: nafex Digest, Vol 71, Issue 22 (Tim Inman)
>    9. Bad Acorn Year (Spidra Webster)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:39:47 -0500
> From: Scott Smith <scott at cs.jhu.edu>
> Subject: [NAFEX]  apples for drying
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> Lisa, here are some apples known for their ability to dry well.
>
> Akane
> American Golden Russet
> Baldwin
> Ben Davis
> Benham
> Black Gilliflower
> Buff
> Cannon Pearmain
> Cathead
> Criterion
> Fallawater
> Golden Russet
> Hightop Sweet
> Horse
> Lemon Pippin
> Lodi
> Maiden Blush
> Norfolk Beefing
> Parks Pippin
> Polly Eades
> Rhode Island Greening
> Rome Beauty
> Roxbury Russet
> Sheepnose
> Spokane Beauty
> Summer Queen
> Summer Rambo
> Tolman Sweet
> Wesfield Seek-No-Further
> Wolf River
> Yellow Transparent
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> Scott
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:45:17 -0500
> From: H?l?ne Dessureault <interverbis at videotron.ca>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] apples for drying
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Greetings Lisa and others,
>
>> I've been unhappy with the apples we dried this year - they were too tart
>> (Goldrush) or utterly bland and tasteless (mystery apple #2), and since we
>>
>> have opportunity to put in a few more trees, I'd like suggestions for good
>>
>> ones for drying.  Ideally late, large, and disease resistant (although
>> we've had next to no disease problems with the apples, just lots of worms)
>
> I am not sure how Cortland would perform in zone 7, but they do well in zone
> 4 and 5. Cortland is a good apple for drying. Good taste and one major
> advantage, it does not turn brown when exposed to air. The dried apples
> pieces are a nice inviting yellowish fresh apple colour.... without the help
> of lemon to prevent oxydization.
>
> It is a late September apple...
>
> H?l?ne
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> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:15:02 -0700
> From: Pete Tallman <pete_tallman at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] apples for drying
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> A few of my favorites for drying haven't come up yet, so here is my list,
> roughly in the order of best to pretty good...
>
> Bramley's Seedling, Cortland, Gold Rush, Smokehouse, Northern Spy (but
> browns a lot), Tioga, Green Sweet, Ben Davis, Black Oxford.
>
> Pete Tallman
> Longmont, CO  zone 5 or so
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> From: "Jim Cooper" <jcooper at lewiston.k12.id.us>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] apples for drying
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> We like the Jonathans for drying. They do not discolor, and are crispy
> and good flavor.
> Jim
> N. Idaho
> Zone 6
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>>>> Pete Tallman <pete_tallman at hotmail.com> 12/08/08 6:16 PM >>>
>
> A few of my favorites for drying haven't come up yet, so here is my
> list, roughly in the order of best to pretty good...
>
> Bramley's Seedling, Cortland, Gold Rush, Smokehouse, Northern Spy (but
> browns a lot), Tioga, Green Sweet, Ben Davis, Black Oxford.
>
> Pete Tallman
> Longmont, CO  zone 5 or so
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> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:32:48 -0600
> From: "D Stubbs" <dsmndel at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Apple pressing-hydraulic
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> Wonderful press Jim, thanks so much for sharing the pics. It hadn't occurred
> to me to put a long jack on the ground and push up the entire bucket. How
> did you keep the bucket guided straight?
> Del
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Erdman, James <ErdmanJ at uwstout.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> I thought I would share pictures of the cider press that we built using
>> a hydraulic jack to provide pressure.  The basket is stainless steel
>> with perforations.  The parts that contact the juice that aren't
>> stainless steel are made from a heavy plastic cutting board.  A local
>> metal fabrication shop made up the stainless steel parts--the tub and
>> the pan it sits in--from material he had on hand, so it was a bit
>> cheaper than ordering all of the stainless steel.  We use a disposal to
>> grind the apples, and removed the outer insulation to keep it running
>> cooler.  Note that the hydraulic jack is under the basket and pan, so
>> there is no chance of oil leaking into the juice.
>>
>> http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r190/WisJim/?action=view&current=2006
>> SeptWiscoy043.jpg<http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r190/WisJim/?action=view&current=2006SeptWiscoy043.jpg>
>> http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r190/WisJim/?action=view&current=2006
>> SeptWiscoy038.jpg<http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r190/WisJim/?action=view&current=2006SeptWiscoy038.jpg>
>> http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r190/WisJim/?action=view&current=2006
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>> It works well for us.
>>
>> Jim Erdman, in Menomonie, WI
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> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:49:28 -0600
> From: "D Stubbs" <dsmndel at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Apple pressing / supplies
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> Here is a source for commercial press cloth etc.
> http://www.cidermillsupplies.com/cart/cat_press_supplies.php#cloths
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> Del,
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> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:28:52 -0500
> From: Dale Burkholder <dburk at planetcomm.net>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Important question for Lon
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> No, it's not about grapes.
> Some of us need to know how to pronounce your name.  E-mail just dosen't do
> it.
> Is it Rom-ball or Rom-boe or even Rom-baaaaah?
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> Thanks,
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> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:50:24 -0600
> From: "Tim Inman" <Tim at historicinteriors.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 71, Issue 22
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>>   1. Re: Apple pressing (Claude Jolicoeur)
>>   2. Re: Apple pressing (Mark Angermayer)
>>   3. Re: Apple pressing (hwparker at verizon.net)
>>   4. Re: Apple pressing-hydraulic jack (Mark Angermayer)
>>   5. Provocative Tag Lines (K Q)
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> On the subject of apple pressing:  I'm a furniture guy, so engineering is
> beyond me, but I'm also a 'practical' Iowan and I've made lots of gallons of
> 'home hobby' apple juice/cider over my years.  Here's my input on the
> subject:
>
> Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be.  Simple is good.  Low
> technology has produced millions of gallons of juice over the centuries.  To
> that end, I use 5-gallon painters filter/strainer bags to contain the pomace
> when I press.  They are available at any store that sells house paint and
> supplies to painters.  Lowe's, Menards, Home Depot, Ace Hardware, etc.  They
> are polypropylene or nylon, cheap, and just right for the job.  Plus,
> they're cheap.  (Painters use them to strain 5-gallon buckets of paint
> before running it through airless paint sprayers.)  They are priced to be
> 'throw-aways.'
>
> As for hydraulic or screw:  Anything will do unless you're going for
> commercial output.  I have used 'antique' screw-type presses all my life.  I
> find that when the screw gets 'so' tight, the juice pretty much stops
> flowing regardless how much tighter you turn it.  I use a 3-ft long wooden
> lever as my screw handle.  Don't know the equation, but I get a lot of
> torque on the screw. When it gets tight, relax and take a breath.  Wash or
> grind some more apples.  (The reason you want a 2-tub system.)  Then go back
> and turn the screw a little more.  If you're like me, you'll find that you
> get a little more juice the second squeeze, but not much.  Driving a bull
> dozer over the bag would compress it more, but I don't think you'd get very
> much more juice from a given quantity of pomace.
>
> Grind the pomace as fine as you can - but be practical.  My antique machines
> make a pretty fine mash, and we get a pretty good harvest from it.  To get
> more, we'd have to do a lot more work.  Since we do this for fun and hobby,
> we don't need to worry about squeezing the last nickel's worth of juice out
> of the mash.  We almost always have more apples than we know what to do
> with, so we try not to make things more work than needs be.
>
> Finally, it seems to me that the sweetest, best tasting juice comes first,
> and the last bit is pretty much flavorless.  I know this because I watch the
> kids when we press.  They always stand at the ready with their cups when the
> first flow comes.  By the time we've pressed and squeezed, they go away and
> want no more - until another fresh batch is under the screw!  So, I'm not
> really interested in that last drop anyway.  What the innocence of the kids
> teaches me, I'm willing to live by.
>
> Now don't get me wrong!  I love to build things and conjure up 'newer and
> better' ways of doing things.  So I'm all for a little good old American
> Injinuity.  But for those who might think making cider is difficult, it
> ain't.  Whatever you use, you'll have fun and a much superior
> cyder/cider/apple juice than you'll buy at the store.
>
> Just for fun!
>
> Tim Inman
> Randolph, Iowa
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:52:54 -0800
> From: Spidra Webster <spidra at speakeasy.net>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Bad Acorn Year
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I remember this was mentioned on list a couple months ago.
> Treehugger (a really good environmental blog) just linked to a WaPo
> article on the subject.  Other people are speculating, including
> scientists.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6qwcp2
>
> Megan Lynch
>
> Berkeley, CA
>
> CRFG, NAFEX: I'm in USDA Zone 9b
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