[NAFEX] nafex Digest, Vol 52, Issue 62

TIM INMAN TIM at HISTORICINTERIORS.COM
Sat May 26 12:54:51 EDT 2007


Here is an 'ornery' trick we use to keep the birds out of our cherry trees: 
About now, or maybe a little later, we gather pencil sized sticks which 
would look like really good roosting or landing twigs.  We twist on wires at 
one end of each to use to 'tie' the sticks up into the trees at what seems 
to us like good places where birds would naturally want to land.  BUT, 
before we install the landing twigs, we slather them down really thickly 
with 'Tree Tanglefoot' or similar sticky wax.  One or two landings on the 
sticky sticks, and the birds get the idea and don't come back for the 
fruiting season.  One year, we put the wax directly on the tree limbs. 
However, we soon found that we didn't like getting our hands in the stuff 
any more than the birds (or even squirrels!) liked getting their feet in it! 
Once burned, twice cautious. . . .

Good luck!

Tim Inman
Randolph, IA  Zone 4

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>   1. Re: Samdal Elderberries/L. caerulea (Hans Brinkmann)
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> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 00:22:38 +0200
> From: Hans Brinkmann <hans-brinkmann at t-online.de>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Samdal Elderberries/L. caerulea
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Hallo Jan,
> very interesting - indeed - to read your Lonicera caerulea experience.
> Unfortunately your experience with the Geisenheim Research Center has
> been bad...
> I think Geisenheim Research is specialized only in Grape and many
> Stone-fruits plus a few others.
> Anyhow Mr. Jakobs reaction is symptomatic for many specialists...
>
> I have new Altai, Amur, Morena, Fialka, Jupiter and Maistar (all
> protected) and some "Blues", but I just started with Lonicera.
> I think it will be very easy for us to exchange some new harvest seeds ...
> In fact we are just neighbors.
>
> ciao
> Hans from Germany
>
>
>
> vrana schrieb:
>> I have many cultivars.I wisited Mr.Jakob in gaisenheim research station 
>> and
>> show him my pictures. He ask: what is it? I told: loniceras for fruit. He
>> went with me into liberary and took encyklopedia and found there,that it
>> have fruit of bad taste. I ofered my help in researchz but he refused. I
>> could help a lot. now research is very far, but there is still a lot of 
>> work
>> to be done.I have berries only 30mm, but russians have till50mm.   Nearly
>> each university have it in research now.It have great future ekonomy
>> meaning.  Jan
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Hans Brinkmann" <hans-brinkmann at t-online.de>
>> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Samdal Elderberries/L. caerulea
>>
>>
>> Hallo Vrana,
>> thank you very much! I am always interested in good cultivars.
>> In Germany we have approx. 10 cultivars of Lonicera caerulea var.
>> kamtschatica.
>> Some are the American Blue-series and some are new ones from different
>> origins.
>> Which one do you have in your country?
>> Yes, they contain Anthocyanes(amount?), Flavonole, Rutin, vitamin C,
>> 6-8% sugar and 2-4% fruit-acids.
>>
>> ciao
>> hans
>>
>>
>>
>> vrana schrieb:
>>
>>> and what do you say for haskap content of anthocyans?
>>> http://image.www.rakuten.co.jp/sikikoubou/img10122191101.jpeg
>>> http://item.rakuten.co.jp/kitanomori/hasukappu6/ If interested, contact
>>>
>> me.
>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Hans Brinkmann" <hans-brinkmann at t-online.de>
>>> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Samdal Elderberries
>>>
>>>
>>> Hallo Doug,
>>> Sambucus is e.g. containing much Appleacid, Grapeacid and Anthocyane.
>>> Anthocyane are very strong antioxidants  with many, many positive
>>>
>> effects...
>>
>>> Probably this is the reason we strongly recommend Sambucus against a
>>> cold, an infection and even against  infection-pain and others effects.
>>> Only "wild"! Vaccinum berries have a much higher content. Vaccinum CV
>>> have almost none content.
>>> We consider e.g. Samdal, Samyl, Sambu and Haschberg (bad
>>> umbel-ripening-time) for a very high Anthocyane content.
>>> According to my information pure S. canadensis has always a smaller
>>> Anthocyane content.
>>>
>>> ciao
>>> hans
>>>
>>>
>>> dwoodard at becon.org schrieb:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hans, is there a Sambucus nigra cultivar recommended for anyi-viral
>>>> (common cold) activity?
>>>>
>>>> Doug Woodard
>>>> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 24 May 2007, Hans Brinkmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hallo Richard,
>>>>> Sambucus nigra "Samdal" is really good, high Anthocyan! medium growth,
>>>>> no special disease-problem at Germany, but many are possible.
>>>>> "Alles?e" has even better harvest because of same ripening-time(per
>>>>> umbel)! is one of the best for commercial plantations at Germany!
>>>>> We use different cultivars for different chemical contents.
>>>>> Probably you have also nice crosses between S. nigra and S. 
>>>>> canadensis.
>>>>>
>>>>> ciao
>>>>> Hans
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 03:59:56 -0400 (EDT)
> From: dwoodard at becon.org
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Serviceberry & humidity
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> People report problems growing saskatoons selected on the Canadian
> prairies, in humid climates elsewhere. Saskatoons (Amelanchier alnifolia)
> are not serviceberries although they are related. I expect that a lot of
> the people who can't grow good saskatoons could grow good fruit from other
> Amelanchiers, perhaps some of the native species of Amelanchier, which may
> or may not be known as serviceberries, which grow wild near them.
>
> There are many species of Amelanchier, adapted to different climates, soil
> types and perhaps summer day lengths.
>
> Similarly, apricots, peaches, plums (of various species), sweet and sour
> cherries and their numerous relatives are all Prunus but they are not the
> same and do not grow well under the same conditions.
>
> Doug Woodard
> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
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>
>>     I keep reading about humidity being a problem with growing
>> Serviceberry
>> and wonder if humidity is getting an, undeserved, bad rap.  Minnesota
>> Summers can be very humid and Serviceberry varieties thrive as landscape
>> plants.
>>
>> Jim Fruth
>> Pequot Lakes, MN  56472
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> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 07:26:10 -0500
> From: "Jim Fruth" <jfruth at tds.net>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Bird Decoys for Serviceberry, etc.
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>    Along about this time of year i start hanging out my 'decoys.'  I 
> bought
> round beads and berry beads (berry beads resemble raspberries), installed
> wire to hang them, and hang them in the trees and bushes.  The birds go 
> wild
> over them scattering them all over the yard.  Then I just collect them and
> re-hang them.  By the time the fruit turns red, most of the birds seem
> convinced that red things are not edible.  Some birds, like Robins, are
> easily fooled and some not.  Doesn't work 100% but it really helps.
>
> Jim Fruth
> Brambleberry Farm
> Pequot Lakes, MN  56472
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