[NAFEX] gluten

Michael Nave jmichaelnave at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 18 21:22:55 EDT 2007


The post was meant to alert you to the FACT that this
food source issue has been previously considered. The
website I gave is representative of the thought on
this issue. There are other internet discussions that
come to the same conclusion. Nothing on this website
is controversial. I thought you might be encouraged to
research this further but I was wrong. 

Here is the relevant language from the website I
cited, which you apparently missed:

"The style of feeding bees and types of bee food used
to feed bees vary considerably among
beekeepers reporting CCD losses. As such, no
correlation has been found between what colonies were
fed and their likelihood of survival."

Note the phrase "no correlation has been found". Your
theory has been considerd and there is no evidence to
support your theory. None. If you take the time to
acquaint yourself with this issue and bee keeping
generally you will find that it is a well recognized
FACT that "style of feeding bees and types of bee food
used to feed bees vary considerably". 

If you care to do a web search you will find other
websites that discuss the same thing. I realize that
your feelings are hurt because you thought you were
the first with the food source thought, but there are
thousands of bee keepers out there who have already
thought of it, and eliminated it.

--- Thomas Olenio <tolenio at sentex.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I just scanned that article and nowhere does it
> state they eliminated feed.
> They did state that " almost every conceivable and
> realistic cause remains a
> possibility". They then went on to list the top ten
> reasons, which included
> " Style of feeding bees and type of bee food".
> 
>  
> 
> There is also no reference as who made this
> statement at the web page you
> gave.  I was able to find the hearing here, at a
> government website.
> Testimony has not been transcribed to the web yet. 
> I never rely on blogs
> for facts.
> 
> 
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 
> Thursday, March 29, 2007
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Media Contact: 
> April Demert Slayton (202) 225-6872 
> april.slayton at mail.house.gov 
> 

> 
> Subcommittee Investigates Honey Bee Colony Collapse
> Disorder
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today, Congressman Dennis
> Cardoza, Chairman of the House
> Agriculture Committee's Subcommittee on Horticulture
> and Organic
> Agriculture, held a hearing to investigate colony
> collapse disorder in honey
> bee colonies across the United States.
> 
>  
> 
> Colony collapse disorder (CCD) is characterized by
> the sudden die-off of
> honey bee colonies. The cause of CCD has not been
> determined, and the
> Subcommittee heard about the situation and its
> impact on agriculture from
> scientists and bee keepers, as well as a farmer who
> relies on bees to
> pollinate his crops.
> 
>  
> 
> "I am deeply committed to raising awareness of CCD
> and its impact on
> American agriculture," said Subcommittee Chairman
> Cardoza.  "Farmers and
> beekeepers across the country are dependent on honey
> bees for their
> livelihoods. It is imperative that we move swiftly
> to get to the bottom of
> this, before the problem becomes even more serious.
> The insight and
> perspectives we heard in today's hearing will be
> very useful as we consider
> the next steps in addressing this threat to honey
> bees, and to the
> livelihoods of commercial beekeepers and crop
> producers." 
> 
>  
> 
> "Honey bee pollination is vital to flowers and many
> fruit, vegetable, nut
> and forage crops, as well as forages and flowers. 
> In addition, pollination
> from honey bees increases yield and food quality and
> creates billions of
> dollars of crop value for farmers. Agriculture has a
> strong interest in
> maintaining a sound supply of pollinators, and I
> encourage researchers to
> work closely with producers to find a solution to
> the current colony
> collapse," said Subcommittee Ranking Member Randy
> Neugebauer.
> 
>  
> 
> Witness testimony is available on the Committee
> website:
> http://agriculture.house.gov/hearings/index.html. A
> full transcript of the
> hearing will be posted on the Committee website in
> 4-6 weeks.
> 
>  
> 
> Witness List
> 
> Associate Administrator Caird E. Rexroad, PhD,
> Agricultural Research
> Service, USDA, Washington, D.C. 
> 
>  
> 
> Dr. Diana Cox-Foster, PhD, Professor, Pennsylvania
> State University,
> University Park, Pennsylvania 
> 
>  
> 
> Dr. May R. Berenbaum, Professor and Head, Department
> of Entomology,
> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Urbana,
> Illinois 
> 
>  
> 
> Mr. Paul Wenger, First Vice President, California
> Farm Bureau Federation,
> Modesto, California 
> 
>  
> 
> Mr. David Ellingson, Commercial Bee Keeper,
> Ortonville, MN 
> 
>  
> 
> Mr. Gene Brandi, Legislative Chairman, California
> State Beekeepers
> Association, Los Banos, California 
> 
>  
> 
> Mr. Jim Doan, Commercial Bee Keeper, Hamlin, New
> York 
> 
>  
> 
> Mr. Richard Adee, Legislative Committee Chairman,
> American Honey Producers
> Association, Bruce, South Dakota 
> 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf
> Of Michael Nave
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:14 AM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] gluten
> 
>  
> 
> It's not likely to be food. That was one of the
> first
> 
> things investigated, and eliminated::
> 
>  
> 
>
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address
> =389x664435
> 
>  
> 
> --- Thomas Olenio <tolenio at sentex.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> > Hi,
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > Wheat gluten is what is left after starch is
> washed
> 
> > away from the wheat.
> 
> > Isn't starch what sugar breaks down into?
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > For example...  the sugars in sweet corn break
> down
> 
> > into starch, making the
> 
> > corn significantly less palatable.  Same thing
> 
> > happens to apples.
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > So I would ask what happens to the starch and
> yeast
> 
> > (see below) that is
> 
> > washed away.  If the feed grade wheat was
> 
> > contaminated would the
> 
> > contaminates end up in the wheat gluten, along
> with
> 
> > other wheat gluten
> 
> > byproducts, and where do those other byproducts
> end
> 
> > up?
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_gluten_(food)
> 
> > 
> 
> > Wheat gluten - also called seitan (pronounced
> 
> > SAY-tahn), wheat meat,
> 
> > wheat-meat, wheatmeat, gluten meat, or simply
> gluten
> 
> > - is a foodstuff made
> 
> > from the gluten
> 
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten>  of wheat
> 
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat> . It is made
> by
> 
> > washing dough
> 
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dough>  made from
> 
> > wheat flour
> 
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour>  in water
> until
> 
> > the starch
> 
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starch>  is rinsed
> 
> > away, leaving only the
> 
> > gluten, which can then be cooked and processed in
> 
> > various ways.
> 
> > 
> 
> > >From my limited knowledge of commercial honeybees
> 
> > they are fed pollen, sugar
> 
> > supplements, protein, carbohydrates, and yeast
> among
> 
> > other things.  A lot of
> 
> > those things would appear to be by-products of
> wheat
> 
> > gluten processing.
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > I am not saying this is the answer, but it sure is
> 
> > plausible based on timing
> 
> > and related events.  Somebody with the tools
> should
> 
> > investigate.  I would
> 
> > love to be proved wrong, as we all learn from
> 
> > mistaken theories.
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > Not that I imagine commercial honey producers
> would
> 
> > ever want the general
> 
> > public to even consider this hypothesis.
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > Later,
> 
> > 
> 
> > Tom
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> 
> > From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> 
> > [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf
> 
> > Of athagan at atlantic.net
> 
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:29 AM
> 
> > To: North American Fruit Explorers
> 
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] gluten
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > Glucose and gluten are two very different things. 
> 
> > Glucose is a simple
> 
> > 
> 
> > sugar, gluten a combination of proteins.
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > ......Alan.
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > Quoting Thomas Olenio <tolenio at sentex.net>:
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > > Hi,
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > > According to the USDA.
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > > http://www.beesource.com/pov/usda/abjfeb1977.htm
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > > ."Sugars which poison bees when fed at low
> levels
> 
> > in sucrose syrup
> 
> > 
> 
> > > include
> 
> > 
> 
> > > galactose, arabinose, xylose, melibiose,
> mannose,
> 
> > raffinose,
> 
> > 
> 
> > > stachyose, and
> 
> > 
> 
> > > lactose (Barker and Lehner, 1974b; Barker
> 1976a).
> 
> > Pectin, agar, and
> 
> > 
> 
> > > many
> 
> > 
> 
> > > gums are toxic or can hydrolyze to toxic sugars.
> 
> > On the other hand,
> 
> > 
> 
> > > glucose,
> 
> > 
> 
> > > fructose, maltose, sucrose, melezitose, and
> 
> > trehalose are safe and
> 
> > 
> 
> > > nutritious. The reasons some sugars are
> poisonous
> 
> > at low dosages
> 
> > 
> 
> > > are
> 
> > 
> 
> > > unknown; conflicting theories have been
> published.
> 
> > Even important
> 
> > 
> 
> > > biochemical processes which produce honey from
> 
> > nectar remain
> 
> > 
> 
> > > cloaked in
> 
> > 
> 
> > > ignorance."".
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > > >From the above this honey bee novice infers
> that
> 
> > glucose (gluten)
> 
> > 
> 
> > > is fed to
> 
> > 
> 
> > > commercial honey bees.
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > > It would make sense that if contaminated feed
> 
> > grade, gluten got
> 
> > 
> 
> > > into the
> 
> > 
> 
> > > supply chain it may affect honey bees.
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > > I know next to nothing about bees, and leave it
> to
> 
> > experts to
> 
> > 
> 
> > > figure out.
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > > Later,
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > > Tom
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > > 
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
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