[NAFEX] gluten

Michael Nave jmichaelnave at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 18 10:14:08 EDT 2007


It's not likely to be food. That was one of the first
things investigated, and eliminated::

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x664435

--- Thomas Olenio <tolenio at sentex.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> Wheat gluten is what is left after starch is washed
> away from the wheat.
> Isn't starch what sugar breaks down into?
> 
>  
> 
> For example...  the sugars in sweet corn break down
> into starch, making the
> corn significantly less palatable.  Same thing
> happens to apples.
> 
>  
> 
> So I would ask what happens to the starch and yeast
> (see below) that is
> washed away.  If the feed grade wheat was
> contaminated would the
> contaminates end up in the wheat gluten, along with
> other wheat gluten
> byproducts, and where do those other byproducts end
> up?
> 
>  
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_gluten_(food)
> 
> Wheat gluten - also called seitan (pronounced
> SAY-tahn), wheat meat,
> wheat-meat, wheatmeat, gluten meat, or simply gluten
> - is a foodstuff made
> from the gluten
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten>  of wheat
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat> . It is made by
> washing dough
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dough>  made from
> wheat flour
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour>  in water until
> the starch
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starch>  is rinsed
> away, leaving only the
> gluten, which can then be cooked and processed in
> various ways.
> 
> >From my limited knowledge of commercial honeybees
> they are fed pollen, sugar
> supplements, protein, carbohydrates, and yeast among
> other things.  A lot of
> those things would appear to be by-products of wheat
> gluten processing.
> 
>  
> 
> I am not saying this is the answer, but it sure is
> plausible based on timing
> and related events.  Somebody with the tools should
> investigate.  I would
> love to be proved wrong, as we all learn from
> mistaken theories.
> 
>  
> 
> Not that I imagine commercial honey producers would
> ever want the general
> public to even consider this hypothesis.
> 
>  
> 
> Later,
> 
> Tom
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf
> Of athagan at atlantic.net
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:29 AM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] gluten
> 
>  
> 
> Glucose and gluten are two very different things. 
> Glucose is a simple
> 
> sugar, gluten a combination of proteins.
> 
>  
> 
> ......Alan.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Quoting Thomas Olenio <tolenio at sentex.net>:
> 
>  
> 
> > Hi,
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > According to the USDA.
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > http://www.beesource.com/pov/usda/abjfeb1977.htm
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > ."Sugars which poison bees when fed at low levels
> in sucrose syrup
> 
> > include
> 
> > galactose, arabinose, xylose, melibiose, mannose,
> raffinose,
> 
> > stachyose, and
> 
> > lactose (Barker and Lehner, 1974b; Barker 1976a).
> Pectin, agar, and
> 
> > many
> 
> > gums are toxic or can hydrolyze to toxic sugars.
> On the other hand,
> 
> > glucose,
> 
> > fructose, maltose, sucrose, melezitose, and
> trehalose are safe and
> 
> > nutritious. The reasons some sugars are poisonous
> at low dosages
> 
> > are
> 
> > unknown; conflicting theories have been published.
> Even important
> 
> > biochemical processes which produce honey from
> nectar remain
> 
> > cloaked in
> 
> > ignorance."".
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > >From the above this honey bee novice infers that
> glucose (gluten)
> 
> > is fed to
> 
> > commercial honey bees.
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > It would make sense that if contaminated feed
> grade, gluten got
> 
> > into the
> 
> > supply chain it may affect honey bees.
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > I know next to nothing about bees, and leave it to
> experts to
> 
> > figure out.
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > Later,
> 
> > 
> 
> > Tom
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
>  
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