[NAFEX] Boron and other things

dmnorton at royaloakfarmorchard.com dmnorton at royaloakfarmorchard.com
Thu Apr 5 11:46:08 EDT 2007

Thanks, Stephen.  You are exactly right.  Our major pests are PC (Plum 
Curculio) and CM (Codling Moth).  We use IPM and spray only when we have to. 
Last season we had to spray more than we have ever in the past and still had 
a major PC and CM problem.  We do not use pyrethrines, the most toxic of all 
sprays, some of which are certified "organic".  We used many different 
organic programs including mating disruption, but the pests in our area are 
too prolific so we adopted an Integrated Pest Management Program.

Dennis Norton
Royal Oak Farm Orchard
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Sadler" <Docshiva at Docshiva.org>
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Boron and other things

>I don't know what happened in Dennis' case, but the organic
> orcharding/gardening failures I've seen have been because people - and 
> these
> have been small, amateur growers - thought organic meant no pest control 
> at
> all, or very little.  You still need such things as spray programs,
> beneficial insects, pheromone controls, and very healthy organically
> enriched soil, nitrogen-fixing cover crops, and resistant varieties. 
> The
> choice with fruit trees isn't whether to spray, it's what to spray.    The
> program needs to be tailored.  I knew one commercial apple grower who was
> able to drastically improve the value of her crop by using codling moth
> pheromone confusion lures - hereabouts, the codling moth is our worst 
> apple
> pest.  Back east, I wouldn't expect the quantity or quality of organic 
> fruit
> we have here in California, not just because we have more organic 
> production
> here, but our fruit growers don't have to deal with curculio.  That one
> beast alone makes me respect that there are still limitations to organic
> growing.
> ~ Stephen
>  _____
> From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Erdman, James
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 1:22 PM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Boron and other things
> Arouond here, quite a few people are growing apples organically, and 
> making
> a living at it.  Maybe they didn't give up too soon, but I know that some 
> of
> them started their orchards from scratch as an organic orchard.
> Jim, in Menomonie, WI
>  _____
> From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org on behalf of
> dmnorton at royaloakfarmorchard.com
> Sent: Wed 4/4/2007 2:33 PM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Boron and other things
> "Chemical agriculture is where superstition
> abounds. Every chemist worth his or her salt KNOWS how
> delicate and subtle the chemical equilibria
> of biological reactions is, and yet there is the
> superstition that you can pour nitrogen, phosphate and
> chloride salts on the land and burn its
> organic matter up, wreck its microbiology, dump toxic
> chemicals on crops and then the food will be healthy
> to eat. It takes mountains of faith - or
> superstition - to believe such utter bilge."
> Well, since we tried to grow 10,000 apples trees organically for 3 years 
> and
> almost lost over half of them to pests and disease, we came to the
> conclusion that we would have to "believe such utter bilge", burn organic
> matter up, wreck its microbiology and dump toxic chemicals on crops. 
> Sorry
> folks, some of us grow fruit for a living!
> Dennis Norton
> Royal Oak Farm Orchard

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