[NAFEX] elderberries under black-walnuts

Stephen Sadler Docshiva at Docshiva.org
Sun Jul 23 02:24:18 EDT 2006

If someone was thinking of allelopathy here, the juglone exuded by the black
walnut may persist in the soil long enough to have an effect.  However,
elderberries are not affected by it.  Shade would have been the problem.  

I'll let someone else answer about how long they take to flower from seed,
but it seems to me it's less than 3 years.

111 degrees today.


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[mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of tanis grif
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:02 PM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] elderberries under black-walnuts

I should have included this in my earlier observations:  A few yards off a
road, there was a big black-walnut removed 3 or 4 years ago.  This year a
canadensisr, growing w/in a few feet of the old stump, sent up a flower
The removed tree was stump-treated w/ herbicide, so there was no life in the
root system.  But, I got thinking, how long does it take an elderberry to
grow from
seed to flowering?  Did it start when the black-walnut was still there?

--- Nate <> wrote:

> Since the grove must be quite thick with trees, there wouldn't really
> be any chance for S.canadensis to flourish.
> Most shrubs require proper sunlight and oxygen to grow, and that might
> be half the problem there. As you mentioned there could be other
> hinderences (such as poison-ivy, tangling vines, fungi) that might
> contribute to the problem.
> On 7/5/06, tanis grif wrote:
> > Last winter someone asked if elderberries would produce under
> trees....

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