[NAFEX] Fruit Tree and goat care

Nate nrhora at gmail.com
Tue Jul 11 14:00:35 EDT 2006

Goats (on some level) probably have emotional states they go through
from time to time, and sometimes they can ram their big horns into
trunks of trees out of disgust for whatever is troubling them.

Once they realize that they have done so, it's positively the case
that they regret what they had done, and the farmer comes, removes the
damn horns outta the tree, and the goat is once again happy.

Surely, the goat after this time realizes it's mistake(s) (one can hope)

On 7/11/06, oliver smith callis <oliversmithcallis at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would just like to add that although some livestock ca adversely affect an
> orchard or garden, others can be quite compatible. Geese and ducks, for
> example, are excellent orchard weeders & fertilizers, and a chicken tractor
> can work wonders in any backyard garden. I use chickens and ducks in my back
> garden in a chicken tractor,
> http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~nfantasi/Chicken%20Tractors.htm
> to till soil for a garden bed rather than rent a rototiller plus I get eggs
> in return. However it is true that with some animals, care has to be taken
> to fence out younger trees and plants, but integrated systems can be
> beneficial.
> Search for silvopasture on this page:
> http://www.newfarm.org/international/features/0604/australia/index.shtml
>    "In a silvopasture system the cattle, trees, and pasture exist in a
> symbiotic relationship. The trees provide shade for the cattle, reducing
> heat stress, compaction, and over fertilizing. In this subtropical climate,
> Lindegger believes that the pasture also grows better in partial
> shade...this system makes optimum use of the land."
> With goats one option is to plant a hedgerow to contain them with wire
> netting on the side the goats are contained in so that they can trim the
> hedge but not damage the plants. Another way of protecting trees is to
> tether the goats to a pole so that they can't get to the trees, and
> continuously move the pole so that the goat can get fresh browse. Here is an
> example of one hedgerow-goat system
> http://www.ibiblio.org/permaculture-online/profclogher03.html
> http://www.ibiblio.org/permaculture-online/profclogher03.html
> related quotes:
> "As far as the living fences for the goats idea, Chris, well, I tried that
> with a bunch of things that will grow from cutting. Coral trees, african
> tulip and samea samans, and the goats debarked every post! So of course none
> of them grew! I think the key is to have a "double fence", with some kind of
> barrier between the hedge that is food for the goats and the goats! Perhaps
> species can be chosen that have a drooping foliage so that the goats can
> browse on what hangs down... "
> "Goat Person:
> Having been confused, bemused, abused, and misused by goats any number of
> times in a long career on the farm, I shall venture the following:
> Goats are smarter than we are...they are more determined and prideful
> than we are, and they will get their way...
> In the present instance, your goats are psychically attuned to your
> distress about the young nut trees and they are browsing upon them in
> order to hurt you for, you write:
> << I would like to put these animals to work>> HA! Goats cannot abide
> this kind of thinking.
> If you could genuinely manage to transfer your affections to a prickly
> pear cactus planting on the other side of a 40 foot high chain link fence
> and an active lava flow, your goats would go eat those and leave your
> trees alone.
> Woody
> On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 04:31:05 -0700 "Permaculture West"
> <
> permawest at olywa.net> writes:
> > The farm I am caretaking has three rascally goats that are
> >never content
> >with what they are being fed or where they are being ranged
> >(apparently
> >typical for goats). I would like to put these animals to work as
> >pasture
> >management agents around my newly planted nut trees. I have tried a
> >number
> >of caging devices to protect my trees but the goats have defied all my
> >defenses and continue to ravage the young trees. This happens despite
> >the
> >fact that they have abundant woody browse within their range. Has
> >anyone
> >stumbled across a clever way to protect their saplings from rampaging
> >goats? Is there such a thing as a goat proof cage for trees? I get
> >the
> >feeling the common answer will be, "don't range your goats with your
> >young
> >trees." However, unfortunately the two are already committed to
> >eachother
> >due to lack of space. "
> I have been contemplating designing a goat forage system for my backyard and
> it seems that there
> must be a way to incorporate the benefits these animals bring and to utilize
> their mischeviousness and intelligence.
> some plants naturally browsed by goats are (from : "Permaculture Plants" by
> Jeff Nugent & Julia Boniface)
> Nitrogen fixers-
> Acacia cyclops (coastal wattle) - foliage
> Alnus glutinosa (common or black alder)
>  - foliage
> Gleditsia triacanthos (Honey Locust) - pods
> Others-
> Simmondsia californica (Jojoba) - foliage
> Ziziphus mauritiana (Indian jujube) - foliage
> Ziziphus spina - christi (Christ thorn jujube) - fruit
> Oliver
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