[NAFEX] elderberries under black-walnuts

Nate nrhora at gmail.com
Wed Jul 5 17:42:38 EDT 2006

Since the grove must be quite thick with trees, there wouldn't really
be any chance for S.canadensis to flourish.

Most shrubs require proper sunlight and oxygen to grow, and that might
be half the problem there. As you mentioned there could be other
hinderences (such as poison-ivy, tangling vines, fungi) that might
contribute to the problem.

On 7/5/06, tanis grif <tanisgrif at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last winter someone asked if elderberries would produce under black-walnut trees.
> The Sambucus canadensis was recently in full bloom, so I hiked a loop thru the
> neighbor's black-walnut grove.  The oldest trees there are about 50 years, and they
> have been spreading via seeds ever since those originals produced nuts.  It is not a
> large area, but big enough to wonder about trends (like, "no poison-ivy?!")
> I noticed no Sambucus can., nor the locally more common S. pubescens.  But, I was
> watching for the white flowers of the first and the red berries of the second.  I
> stumbled on no non-fruiting plants of either.  I thought I might see some S.can in
> the younger part of the grove, because it is lower & wetter, but no.  Overall I also
> thought there were far fewer buckthorns & honeysuckles than under oaks, but a
> detailed survey might debunk that.  Yes I asked the neighbors if they'd done any
> brush removal or pioson-ivy control in the grove, and they said they hadn't.
> Understory was primarily black-raspberries (fruiting where shade was thin),
> gooseberry (fruiting in pretty heavy shade), w/ a couple each chokecherry &
> nannyberry.  Sandy/ sandy loam soil over gravel.
> tc, s.WI, where we get 3" rain every 3 weeks-- isn't that the same as 1" per week ?!!
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