[NAFEX] Climate zone maps

Dave Griffin griffingardens at earthlink.net
Wed Dec 21 12:32:27 EST 2005

Hi Tom,

This is the good old Fruit Explorer attitude I like to see! 

Zone maps are variable within, tree ratings vary from catalog to catalog,
there are different kinds of hardiness and heat requirements and how you
grow a tree makes a huge difference that nobody takes that into account at
all. There are too many variables so pick something close and see what
happens. If you want a sure thing grow only what everyone else around you
has grown for as long as anyone can remember or go to the grocery store for
your fruit. What fun is that ?

I have a Warren pear discovered in Mississippi and growing quite happily in
winter shade on the other of the river where the Big Muddy is a wild and
scenic canoe route. If I hadn't been dumb enough to plant a zone 5 (or some
say z 6) tree in zone 4a I'd be eating nothing but Ure, John, David,
Summercrisp, etc. pears. The good thing about planting a tree that dies is
that you have the perfect place ready to plant something else when it does,
and now you really do know what won't work for you.

Central MN - looking for a few good Muscadines to breed with.  

> [Original Message]
> From: Thomas Olenio <tolenio at sentex.net>
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: 12/21/05 8:18:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Climate zone maps
> Hi Jim,
> Same reason there are Toyotas and Fords.  People have different wants.
> I do not rely on the maps at all anymore.  I have a thermometer that  
> records the highs and lows.  The micro climate here does not match the  
> zone maps at all.
> My zone seems to be in flux right now.  Lower winter temps, last 4-5
> I take the zone map as a very rough guide.  I hope somebody develops a  
> better tool.
> Later,
> Tom
> On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:14:05 -0600, Jim Fruth <jfruth at uslink.net> wrote:
> >    What good are all of the other wannabee climate zone maps?  The USDA

> > map
> > is in general use by catalog plant sellers; can you imagine the  
> > confusion if
> > each used a different one?  Do the other climate zone map authors hope  
> > that
> > catalogers will adopt theirs?
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