[NAFEX] Pomegranate

MARIE ASHTON bwoodtx at verizon.net
Sat Dec 3 22:30:39 EST 2005


I have you down. Thanks for you intrest.
Richard Ashton
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: lee reich 
  To: North American Fruit Explorers 
  Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pomegranate


  Please put me on that list of people to try out those varieties:


  Lee Reich
  387 Springtown rd.
  New Paltz, NY 12561



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  Weedless Gardening






  On Dec 3, 2005, at 8:22 PM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:


    Give me your address and I will try to get some cuttings of "Sverkhranniy" to you in February.  I am compling a list of interested people for testing various cold hardy Russian/Central Asian varieties and and will only want shipping cost (which is very little) and a report back sometime in the future. It is interesting that this variety was a slected variety from a group seedling pomegranates that came from seed that was "irrateated" and caused some of the seedlings to mutate. It is the earliest ripening variety of pomegranate known at present and as such it "may" not require as many heat units although that is not proven. It is also a soft-seeded variety and as such it will not stand as much cold as some of the other varieties I have been talking about but is a consideration for a potted plant in zone 4/5. As you probably know the pomegranates that we have in this country nearly all orignated in Spain  (at least the parents of the present varieties) and a few other places in Southern Europe and North Africa. All these places have the varieties that are adapted to the warmer conditions. The pomegranate is believed to have orignated in the mountains of Persia (Iran) and Southern Central Asia, a colder enviorment than Spain/Southern Europe. So these varieties that I have been talking about are just getting back to genes that the orignal wild pomegranates had. I appreciate you interest.
    Richard Ashton
    7b/8a Central Texas
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: lee reich 
      To: North American Fruit Explorers 
      Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 4:14 PM
      Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pomegranate


      You've spurred my interest -- how would I get one of those varieties to try, especially Severkhrannly? 




      Lee Reich, PhD
      www.leereich.com


      Books by Lee Reich:
      Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
      A Northeast Gardener's Year
      The Pruning Book
      Weedless Gardening






      On Dec 3, 2005, at 11:47 AM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:


        As you know, zone 4/5 is just too cold for in ground pomegranates, pots are the only way.
        There is a variety called "Severkhranniy" the name means super early that ripens in some areas in early August. It is a sweet tasting variety. The very early ripening, dispenses with the need for long summers and some of the heat requirements. Now as to blooming and setting fruit, most of the varieties that have been tried were breed in either Florida or California, the orignal wild pomegranates in Central Asia have been blooming and setting fruit in a cold climate for centuries. The varieties that have been breed/found in the colder areas of Russia/Central Asia are a better bet to bloom and set fruit in cooler area it appears. The pomegranate is a very adaptable plant if natural selection is used. There are very low growing wild pomegranates growing in areas of Central Asia with winter temperatures of  15 below(F).
        You are very right about the standard US varieties not being worth the trouble in these colder areas. 
        There are a lot of other factors that those I just mentioned above, to achieve good fruiting, that is why site testing is needed for these Russian/Central Asian varieties.
        Richard Ashton
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: lee reich 
          To: North American Fruit Explorers 
          Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:48 AM
          Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pomegranate


          I got around the winter kill problem for pomegranates here in zone 4/5 by growing my plant in a pot which I kept in cool storage after it went dormant for the winter. The problem is that after 5-10 years, the plant had still never bloomed. I finally got rid of the plant. Any suggestions, beyond the obvious, for the lack of blossoming? 


          It seems to me that another limitation for pomegranate in the in the northern areas of eastern U.S. would be that there would be insufficient heat and time to ripen the fruits well. Not to mention untimely rains splitting the fruits open. All of which is why I chose to grow mine in pots, where I could get the plants growing early and then ripen them, if needed, in the greenhouse.



          Lee Reich, PhD
          www.leereich.com


          Books by Lee Reich:
          Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
          A Northeast Gardener's Year
          The Pruning Book
          Weedless Gardening






          On Dec 2, 2005, at 11:03 PM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:


            Are you in 6a or 6b?    6b is down to -5 and there are some possible varieties that might work. 6a at down to -10 is a little chancey but worth a try. Since pomegranates bear fruit on new wood you do not have to worry about buds being killed. If you have a winter snow cover then there is also a variety that might  work (under the snow cover). 
            But to state again 6b is a good possibility with the new (in the US) Russian/Central Asian varieties. The varieties that I would recommend are "Kazake" or "Salavatski". "Agat" if under snow cover (a low growing, good fruiting
            pomegranate). If want to try one let me know and I will try to see that you get one to try, but pomegranates like a lot of fruit trees do not reach their best cold hardiness until about the third year and would need to be somewhat protected the first two years.
            Richard Ashton
              ----- Original Message ----- 
              From: Ginda Fisher 
              To: North American Fruit Explorers 
              Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:47 PM
              Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pomegranate




              On Dec 1, 2005, at 2:02 PM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:


                How many of you are interested in pomegranates. It seems that many people think they are too much trouble to eat. They are somewhat troublesome, but some think they are worth the trouble.   The easiest  way to utilize them is to juice them with a common citrus/orange press, that's just a pressure press not the kind with the reamer as that kind will get the partation material and skin into the juice and that is bitter (tannin). There are a lot of new varieties available now and some cold hardy ones.
                Richard Ashton
                zone 7b/8a Central Texas




              I am interested in pomegranate, but here in zone 6, I think I will have to content myself with indoor plants.  If anyone knows of a pomegranate hardy to zone 6, though, I'd be excited to try it.


              Ginda
              eastern MA, zone 6



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