[NAFEX] Pomegranate

lee reich lreich at hvc.rr.com
Sat Dec 3 21:52:18 EST 2005


Please put me on that list of people to try out those varieties:

Lee Reich
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New Paltz, NY 12561

Lee Reich, PhD
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On Dec 3, 2005, at 8:22 PM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:

> Give me your address and I will try to get some cuttings of  
> "Sverkhranniy" to you in February.  I am compling a list of  
> interested people for testing various cold hardy Russian/Central  
> Asian varieties and and will only want shipping cost (which is very  
> little) and a report back sometime in the future. It is interesting  
> that this variety was a slected variety from a group seedling  
> pomegranates that came from seed that was "irrateated" and caused  
> some of the seedlings to mutate. It is the earliest ripening  
> variety of pomegranate known at present and as such it "may" not  
> require as many heat units although that is not proven. It is also  
> a soft-seeded variety and as such it will not stand as much cold as  
> some of the other varieties I have been talking about but is a  
> consideration for a potted plant in zone 4/5. As you probably know  
> the pomegranates that we have in this country nearly all orignated  
> in Spain  (at least the parents of the present varieties) and a few  
> other places in Southern Europe and North Africa. All these places  
> have the varieties that are adapted to the warmer conditions. The  
> pomegranate is believed to have orignated in the mountains of  
> Persia (Iran) and Southern Central Asia, a colder enviorment than  
> Spain/Southern Europe. So these varieties that I have been talking  
> about are just getting back to genes that the orignal wild  
> pomegranates had. I appreciate you interest.
> Richard Ashton
> 7b/8a Central Texas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: lee reich
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pomegranate
>
> You've spurred my interest -- how would I get one of those  
> varieties to try, especially Severkhrannly?
>
>
> Lee Reich, PhD
> www.leereich.com
>
> Books by Lee Reich:
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
>
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2005, at 11:47 AM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:
>
>> As you know, zone 4/5 is just too cold for in ground pomegranates,  
>> pots are the only way.
>> There is a variety called "Severkhranniy" the name means super  
>> early that ripens in some areas in early August. It is a sweet  
>> tasting variety. The very early ripening, dispenses with the need  
>> for long summers and some of the heat requirements. Now as to  
>> blooming and setting fruit, most of the varieties that have been  
>> tried were breed in either Florida or California, the orignal wild  
>> pomegranates in Central Asia have been blooming and setting fruit  
>> in a cold climate for centuries. The varieties that have been  
>> breed/found in the colder areas of Russia/Central Asia are a  
>> better bet to bloom and set fruit in cooler area it appears. The  
>> pomegranate is a very adaptable plant if natural selection is  
>> used. There are very low growing wild pomegranates growing in  
>> areas of Central Asia with winter temperatures of  15 below(F).
>> You are very right about the standard US varieties not being worth  
>> the trouble in these colder areas.
>> There are a lot of other factors that those I just mentioned  
>> above, to achieve good fruiting, that is why site testing is  
>> needed for these Russian/Central Asian varieties.
>> Richard Ashton
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: lee reich
>> To: North American Fruit Explorers
>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pomegranate
>>
>> I got around the winter kill problem for pomegranates here in zone  
>> 4/5 by growing my plant in a pot which I kept in cool storage  
>> after it went dormant for the winter. The problem is that after  
>> 5-10 years, the plant had still never bloomed. I finally got rid  
>> of the plant. Any suggestions, beyond the obvious, for the lack of  
>> blossoming?
>>
>> It seems to me that another limitation for pomegranate in the in  
>> the northern areas of eastern U.S. would be that there would be  
>> insufficient heat and time to ripen the fruits well. Not to  
>> mention untimely rains splitting the fruits open. All of which is  
>> why I chose to grow mine in pots, where I could get the plants  
>> growing early and then ripen them, if needed, in the greenhouse.
>>
>> Lee Reich, PhD
>> www.leereich.com
>>
>> Books by Lee Reich:
>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>> The Pruning Book
>> Weedless Gardening
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 2, 2005, at 11:03 PM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:
>>
>>> Are you in 6a or 6b?    6b is down to -5 and there are some  
>>> possible varieties that might work. 6a at down to -10 is a little  
>>> chancey but worth a try. Since pomegranates bear fruit on new  
>>> wood you do not have to worry about buds being killed. If you  
>>> have a winter snow cover then there is also a variety that might   
>>> work (under the snow cover).
>>> But to state again 6b is a good possibility with the new (in the  
>>> US) Russian/Central Asian varieties. The varieties that I would  
>>> recommend are "Kazake" or "Salavatski". "Agat" if under snow  
>>> cover (a low growing, good fruiting
>>> pomegranate). If want to try one let me know and I will try to  
>>> see that you get one to try, but pomegranates like a lot of fruit  
>>> trees do not reach their best cold hardiness until about the  
>>> third year and would need to be somewhat protected the first two  
>>> years.
>>> Richard Ashton
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Ginda Fisher
>>> To: North American Fruit Explorers
>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Pomegranate
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 1, 2005, at 2:02 PM, MARIE ASHTON wrote:
>>>
>>>> How many of you are interested in pomegranates. It seems that  
>>>> many people think they are too much trouble to eat. They are  
>>>> somewhat troublesome, but some think they are worth the  
>>>> trouble.   The easiest  way to utilize them is to juice them  
>>>> with a common citrus/orange press, that's just a pressure press  
>>>> not the kind with the reamer as that kind will get the partation  
>>>> material and skin into the juice and that is bitter (tannin).  
>>>> There are a lot of new varieties available now and some cold  
>>>> hardy ones.
>>>> Richard Ashton
>>>> zone 7b/8a Central Texas
>>>
>>>
>>> I am interested in pomegranate, but here in zone 6, I think I  
>>> will have to content myself with indoor plants.  If anyone knows  
>>> of a pomegranate hardy to zone 6, though, I'd be excited to try it.
>>>
>>> Ginda
>>> eastern MA, zone 6
>>>
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