[NAFEX] converted willingly

Bruce Hansen brucedhansen at sbcglobal.net
Thu Oct 28 14:14:56 EDT 2004


Regina:

Haven't you been just a little unpleasant in return? I am
arrogant,insulting, and quite unpleasant? Perhaps so, but you did respond,
in an unpleasant manner. At least you attacked the messenger. Do intend on
assisting on the issue, or do you just shoot e-mails to others?

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Regina Kreger
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 1:21 PM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: RE: [NAFEX] converted willingly


Bruce,

Lisa is not the only one who finds your message insulting, arrogant,
uncalled for, and really quite unpleasant. I chose not to respond,
initially, because I found myself unable to do so without being equally
unpleasant in turn.

Regina

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hansen" <brucedhansen at sbcglobal.net>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: RE: [NAFEX] converted willingly
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:52:23 -0400

>
> Lisa:
>
> My goodness. The truth is often considered an insult. So be it. I am not
her
> to motivate you or anyone. NAFEX could use a little money. It doesn't
matter
> if you send free memberships to France as long as NAFEX has your money.
Pick
> anyone and send their membership data and the grand amount of $13.00 to
> Jackie.
>
> Some of us are trying to be responsible and address the issue. Since you
> know how to graft why not graft a few trees and donate them to others for
a
> donation to NAFEX. Perhaps you have other ideas?
>
> NAFEX is going to use the money to pay their bills. Simple.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> ---Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Lisa Almarode
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:22 PM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] converted willingly
>
>
> This is uncalled for.  Do you think that being
> insulted like this is somehow going to motivate us?
>
> I do not object to paying somewhat higher dues; I'd
> love the fruits on cards like CFRG has; I am working
> on my article.  I will not buy a guest membership for
> a stranger, that makes no sense to me - why not just
> donate money directly?  I don't need more apple trees
> (since I learned to graft, I have too many); if
> someone offers something I could use, I'll happily
> bid.  You also apparently think we should only ask
> what the money will be used for after having donated:
> you can't be serious about that.
>
> Lisa in Ashland Oregon
>
>
> --- Bruce Hansen <brucedhansen at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Taking Heron's point, NAFEX members have duties and
> > responsibilities. One of
> > the responsibilities is to fund your organization. I
> > realize that those on
> > the list-serv represent about 10% of the membership,
> > perhaps less. Many on
> > the list-serv are not members. It appears that all
> > you folk do is talk and
> > talk and talk, yawn! You never do anything,
> > apparently. Asking y'all for
> > $10.00 to NAFEX is like lying on your back and
> > spitting at the stars. I
> > asked that each of us purchase three memberships for
> > others. Wow $39.00!!
> > You would think you were asking for $39,000.00. What
> > a bunch of tight-wads.
> > Shame on you!! I even had one person state "I do not
> > know anyone who would
> > want a membership". Egads!! Use your telephone
> > directory. Pick three people
> > at random who have fruit-like last names and buy
> > them a membership. Another
> > person wanted to know what the money would be used
> > for. What kind of a
> > question is that when, to all intents and purposes,
> > no one will contribute
> > one red cent?
> >
> > Perhaps we are lucky that most of you won't write
> > letters for POMONA. Why
> > expose the rest of the membership, who find using
> > computers demeaning, to
> > selfish and self centered attitudes.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of
> > Charles Paradise
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:58 AM
> > To: North American Fruit Explorers
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] converted willingly
> >
> >
> > Writing article is a little like preparing a
> > lecture, then getting up and
> > delivering it while everybody else listens.
> >
> > A round-robin is more like a note we passed around
> > in class while the
> > teacher was out of the room.  ["Did you watch Outer
> > Limits last night?"
> > "Let's go to Andy's after school]
> >
> > I haven't written enough articles for Pomona - why
> > can't we used this email
> > form here to show our work at its current state and
> > ask the others to
> > respond helpfully to help us finish our stuff up so
> > it can be submitted?
> >
> > Charlie Paradise
> > out of ink in Massachusetts
> >
> > Heron Breen wrote:
> >
> > there is a place for an on-line
> >
> > > Pomona. Taking it a step further, I think if we
> > can create a round-robin
> > effect,
> > > such as Lon describes as the original intent of
> > Pomona by looking
> > presenting what
> > > is discussed on the list as discussion points for
> > members, and also
> > seriously
> > > looking at what non-list letters bring up, we can
> > comment on each other. I
> > guess I
> > > am grasping to integrate the two, and still keep
> > the focus to diversify
> > and lengthn
> > > Pomona. How to increase involvement...how to get
> > folks to
> > participate....Can't
> > > force anyone to write, but I am still intrigued by
> > the old requirement
> > that writing
> > > was the duty of members.
> >
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