[NAFEX] Fwd: on-line Pomona

Bruce Hansen brucedhansen at sbcglobal.net
Mon Oct 25 14:47:14 EDT 2004


HERON:

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. OUR CONVERSATION STARTED OUT ON FUNDRAISING AND
NOW IS ON ON-LINE POMONA. NOT MY INTEREST. BACK TO FUNDRAISING, PLEASE.

BRUCE

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[mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Heron Breen
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:17 PM
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Subject: [NAFEX] Fwd: on-line Pomona


 I have no interest in developing an on-line Pomona, but I have interest in
developing a fully searchable database of issues and email chats which can
exist on- line. The difference is many fold.  There is no point in offering
an online Pomona considering probably 2-300 members  use it. It does not
serve the widest audience. If you folks want to put one  together between
friends, feel free, but it wouldn't help me. I prefer to read. The  best use
for paper is to talk about the value of trees. Online and computers saving
paper is the biggest farce of the tech-saves-enviroment concept.  I favor a
free database and a fundraising CD version. A database that is usable by
everyone ie shareware communicates the primary concept of Nafex: sharing. I
am not  interested in proprietary usage and will suspend my involvement in
Nafex if we  start to close doors that are currently open. I would rather
favor opening more  doors for the very reason no one knows about Nafex.
Here's another heads up:People  have to find a use for something in their
lives. I have spoken with many of the  peopl I plan on giving memberships to
and lo and behold, many used to be members,  which does not suprise me
considering they are my fruit mentors. They said that  they let their
membership lapse because they were not contributing and all people  did was
talk about apple flavors. Not affecting the world or communities directly.
So I do not think I joined NAfex to be part of a secret club that holds some
great  info. Can't anyone call our chairpeople and get help on a plant
question or are we  being rude? None of us knows more than a few good books,
a few good conversations,  and some experience, whether you are a phd or a
layman like myself. I am not  keeping anything from anyone, or teasing them
with a taste of our supposedly great  worth or wisdom. If that is the
prevailing sentiment, I am not interested. I am  here because I like to
share, be shared with and I do this in normal life too. I  hope we all do.
Lawyers who don't give advise off the clock are not my cup of tea,  as well
as doctors that drive saabs but won't give their time away to help the
uninsured because of the fear of the LAW. Fix and improve the current Pomona
by helping edit, add, and diversify, show each  other our positive
committment and involvement, and it will draw like-minded  people. They will
pay money to be involved not because of Nafex Great Enlightenment  but
because they like the community and have a use in their own lifes.   By-laws
are changed with one vote, or not. Majority ot representative democracy
rules. I assume board members are voted in, and if the wind shifts could be
voted  off or new folks added. This is an issue of participation, not
conflict. A few months ago I asked Lon if someone can write an article for
Pomona if they are  not a member. I believe answer was yes, although a
certain circumstance. I never  saw a restriction on that in my membership
orientation, and I am not going to turn  down good info. Paying dues means I
want to help run the infrastrucure by funding  it, really a donation. I
found wonderful fruit long before I joined Nafex, not I  found wonderful
Nafex and then found fruit. But my success sharpened because now I  found
people to share my discoveries with. Although I don't see much original
fruit  or breeding since I joined as part of the conversation, but these are
the events  that inspire me, not whether St. Edmunds Russett is worth
growing, but it is all  great and valuable.  I say collect all the useful
links and information and format it in a incredible  little site that gives
because that allows us all to give back from our sharing. As  soon as you
restrict sharing, it goes away. There is a spirit in such actions, that  if
not fully honored does not give back fully, in fact it becomes fairly
useless.  We should WANT to do this. Hell, I send every useful link to
friends I know as  other members bring them in anyways, so its not like the
doors are closed even if  some wanted them to be. The keys to the kingdom
are in your heart being open. There was a young kid at an  apple function I
was at today, and he gleaned info from at least ten folks, on  apples but
also indirectly on how to be a human being and help each other. But we  also
gave him humor to know this fruit stuff should be fun and not eat your life.
I will focus my efforts on the database/searchable cd proposal and the
Pomona  improvement and trying to find out whether the Auction process is
worth being  involved in. And maybe grants. It seems like there are already
many avenues for  involvement that just need...involvement. Oh yeah..the
trees never charged me a cent for sitting back and learning something  about
Nature and myself. So I ain't doin this fo money. Heron
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