[NAFEX] Help me pick which fundraiser apples to buy

loneroc loneroc at mwt.net
Fri Oct 22 09:58:26 EDT 2004


Ed

Sweet 16 is great. Very easy to grow and fruit.  The tree is really broomy
though; use spreaders to shape the framework.

Sweet 16 does not keep well.  After a month its till OK, but has started to
moosh a bit.  Keepsake does last, fortunately.  If you are in the top tier
of states it's the finest keeper.  It lasts forever in storage.  So they say
anyway.  I haven't been able to test that hypothesis--never had enough of
them.  Keepsake's flavor is distinctive and unusual---it has those aromatic,
fruity overtones that some plums have (Toka, Kahinta...).

 Keepsake is harder to grow than "Sweetie".  Since it's about the last apple
to ripen, they are hit pretty hard by ladybyrds. Boy we sure guessed wrong
when deciding to import it.  I'd prefer the alfalfa aphids just munch away
unmolested.

Has anyone tried hanging melon halves hung in the tree?

Anyway,  I had come to the same evaluation of Sweet 16's flavor before I
ever heard of you and Nafex.  It was my favorite apple as a lad. And, like
Irish Spring, "ladies like it, too".


Steve Herje, Lone Rock, WI


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Fackler" <efackler at woh.rr.com>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 5:28 AM
Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Help me pick which fundraiser apples to buy


> Steve:
>
>      You are correct about Sweet 16 being the most complex (and pleasing)
> apple we grew at Rocky over the years.  Spigold, GoldRush, Freyberg,
Sansa,
> Suncrisp and likely some others also fell into the catagory of pleasing
> complex apples.
>      I am forever astounded by the shear amounts of verbage on the
> collective "antique" group.  We tried likely 7, perhaps 800 of them over a
> 12 year period and some were good.  I would not classify any being in the
> class of the above though.  Newtown Pippin (very difficult to grow) could
> become great after a couple of months in cold storage or late January.
>
> ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of loneroc
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:18 AM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Help me pick which fundraiser apples to buy
>
>
> Sweet 16 has a similar anisey flavor.  It blooms fairly late. Ed Fackler
> says it had the most complex flavor of any he grew in heaven (wherever
that
> was).  Sweet 16 is one of my favorites in the north, too.
>
> Steve Herje, Lone Rock, WI
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Regina Kreger" <regina at kreger.net>
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:22 AM
> Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Help me pick which fundraiser apples to buy
>
>
> > Hmm, I hadn't heard of Ellison's Orange. Anise is what put Carpentin on
my
> list, since Apple Journal describes it as "distinctive flavor, reminiscent
> of licorice". They don't list Ellison's Orange. It sounds good!
> >
> > (No More Russets.)  ;o)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Lee" <markl at nytec.com>
> > To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Help me pick which fundraiser apples to buy
> > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:04:14 -0700
> >
> > >
> > > Regina,
> > > I grow Chestnut Crab in Seattle.  It is an excellent apple to nibble
on.
> > > Very sweet.  It is cute, also.  It looks like a Gala shrunk down to
> > > about 1.5" diameter.  Not only does it produce great fruit, it is also
> > > loaded with blossoms in the Spring.  I assume it helps other trees
with
> > > pollination.
> > >
> > > When people ask me for my favorite apple, I like to recommend Golden
> > > Russet.  A sweet apple that makes great cider, it performs well every
> > > year for me.  The russeting seems to make it less susceptible to scab.
> > >
> > > For interesting tastes I recommend Ellison's Orange.  For me it has a
> > > rich flavor with hints of anise.
> > >
> > > -Mark Lee, Seattle, z8a
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> > > [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Regina Kreger
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:09 AM
> > > To: North American Fruit Explorers
> > > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Help me pick which fundraiser apples to buy
> > >
> > > Thanks for the feedback so far, Lucky, Ginda, and Bruce.
> > >
> > > Lucky: since you're the one I heard about both Callaway & Centennial
> > > from, I
> > > will follow your advice on that. I was leaning toward Callaway partly
> > > because my sister married a Callaway, so it would be sort of fun to
grow
> > > their namesake tree. The Centennials look very attractive in pictures.
> > > Has
> > > anyone here tried Chestnut?  I'm intrigued by the description in
> > > www.applejournal.com -- first, they describe Centennial as "One of the
> > > best
> > > fresh eating crabs, second only to Chestnut Crab.", then describe
> > > Chestnut
> > > as "Delightfully sweet and good-tasting crabapple". I'm just a little
> > > obsessed with the unusual LOL -- and it seems as if the few people who
> > > have
> > > heard of edible crabs have heard of Centennial. Lucky, you say that
the
> > > Centennial is 2 or 2.5" -- that's as big as the Lady apples I bought
at
> > > the
> > > farmer's market last weekend.  ?
> > >
> > > Ginda: I think Ashmead's Kernal is the one definite yes on my list.
It's
> > > one
> > > I just keep coming back to. On the other hand, I know some of the
newer
> > > varieties may be "better", objectively, than some of the antiques -- 
but
> > > I
> > > just can't get excited about growing them. I get really excited about
> > > growing the antiques. I'll do some research on the Geneva rootstocks,
> > > thanks
> > > for the lead.
> > >
> > > Bruce:  The Summer Rambos I had this summer were sort of bland. Maybe
it
> > > was
> > > an off year, or maybe they're better up in your part of the world, but
I
> > > had
> > > them from two nearby sources, Virginia & Maryland, and was
underwhelmed
> > > by
> > > both. I've been warned off Cox Orange Pippen by Don Yellman, local
> > > backyard
> > > orchardist whom some of you may know, saying: "Cox's Orange is a
> > > difficult
> > > apple to grow anywhere, but nearly impossible in the mid-Atlantic.
> > > Nearly
> > > all the fruit cracks across the top, and it is subject to rot before
it
> > > ripens on the tree." In fact, any recommendations I get I try to get
his
> > > opinion on as far as local conditions go, because it's becoming clear
> > > that a
> > > great variety is only a great variety in the right location. Let's
> > > see...
> > > Northwest Greening sounds interesting, I hadn't come across a
> > > description
> > > but will start looking. Roxbury Russet I'm definitely intrigued by!
> > > Vintage
> > > Virginia Apples puts its origin at early 17th century and say it's
> > > "probably
> > > the oldest named variety of apple in America"! And I love your
> > > description
> > > of it, and now that I go back to my notes I see it was also
recommended
> > > by a
> > > fellow Marylander.
> > >
> > > Uh-oh, now I have two definite yesses and they're both russets and
they
> > > both
> > > ripen at the same time! How did that happen? (Roxbury Russet &
Ashmead's
> > > Kernal, in case this very long post is losing anyone.....)
> > >
> > > Here's an early, "spicy" one - my  new favorite for the next 3 minutes
> > > until
> > > something else grabs my eye - Hollow Log: "This flavorful and colorful
> > > apple
> > > originated in Rutherford County, North Carolina at an unknown date.
Its
> > > name
> > > derives from the fact that it was discovered growing as a wild
seedling
> > > near
> > > an old hollow log.  It is a very late bloomer thus escaping most late
> > > spring
> > > frosts. As described by Valdesian Nurseries of Bostic, NC, in the
> > > 1920's, it
> > > is a 'large fruit, deep yellow in color, tender, crisp, very juicy and
> > > with
> > > a most delicious, aromatic, spicy flavor.' Ripens late June and can be
> > > picked into August." (description from Big Horse Creek Farm).
> > >
> > > Bruce, in case you're still with me through that long long message,
> > > please
> > > tell me WHY did you change from M7 to EMLA 111? What are the
> > > disadvantages
> > > of one and the advantages of the other? 75-80% of standard still
sounds
> > > intimidating to me.
> > >
> > > Thanks again, for all the feedback.
> > >
> > > Regina Kreger
> > > Riverdale Park, Maryland (Z7)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bruce Hansen" <brucedhansen at sbcglobal.net>
> > > To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:18 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Help me pick which fundraiser apples to buy
> > >
> > >
> > > > Regina:
> > > >
> > > > You should listen to all folk on the list-serv. Taste is personal.
For
> > > me
> > > > let me suggest a summer apple that ripens last of August. Summer
Rambo
> > > a
> > > > 16th century French apple that is crisp and wonderful. Then a Cox
> > > Orange
> > > > Pippen ripening in mid September. A great dessert apple but also
makes
> > > a
> > > > good pie. For a pie apple an old Wisconsin apple, Northwest
Greening.
> > > This
> > > > apple ripens first part of October and to my taste is also a good
> > > desert
> > > > apple and keeps well. Last the best a Roxbury Russet. Old New
England
> > > apple
> > > > from 1700s. Great dessert apple and cider apple. Like a fine wine
the
> > > flavor
> > > > is one thing when you bite into it and different whem chewing and
has
> > > an
> > > > after taste when you swallow. You also might try planting the trees
in
> > > a
> > > > triangle, 3 foot on a side. Then prune the interior. Saves space.
> > > Regarding
> > > > rootstock, I started with M7 but quickly changed to EMLA 111. It
> > > produces
> > > a
> > > > tree about 75-80% of standard but can be pruned to a smaller size.
> > > >
> > > > Listen to others before you choose.
> > > >
> > > > Bruce
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Regina Kreger
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:40 PM
> > > > To: North American Fruit Explorers
> > > > Subject: [NAFEX] Help me pick which fundraiser apples to buy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OK, I'm in.  Only trouble is, I've been agonizing over the
selections
> > > since
> > > > I bought this 1/2 acre in July.  I've never had a lawn, much less an
> > > > orchard, so this is all new to me --- that's why I've just been
> > > lurking on
> > > > this list, soaking it all in.
> > > >
> > > > So please help me choose, 4 trees to start.  Eventually I'll have a
> > > couple
> > > > more - leaving room for other fruits - but I want to leave myself a
> > > chance
> > > > to fall in love with some and still have room for them later. So
> > > starting
> > > > with 4. Here are my criteria.
> > > >
> > > > - I live in Maryland, close-in suburb of D.C. -- must be reasonably
> > > suited
> > > > to my climate, etc.
> > > > - I want a wide variety, in terms of color, flavor, texture,
ripening
> > > date,
> > > > etc.  Mostly dessert, but I'll include one dessert-quality crab, one
> > > sauce
> > > > and one cider apple, and at least one or two of them should be good
> > > for
> > > > cooking too. Hopefully all, even the cider apple, will be palatable
> > > out of
> > > > hand.
> > > > - I don't want varieties I can find at the store, no matter how much
> > > better
> > > > they would taste grown in my back yard.  I want antiques, preferably
> > > ones
> > > > that I might be helping to pull back from the precipice of
extinction.
> > > > - In my research so far, adjectives I have found attractive include
> > > > "vinous", "complex", "aromatic", "spicy", "flavorful" (not "mild")
> > > >
> > > > Strong candidates so far are:
> > > >
> > > > Abram (cider -- is it also good eating?)
> > > > Ashmead's Kernal
> > > > Arkansas Black
> > > > Albemarle Pippin
> > > > Carpentin
> > > > Callaway Crab (or Centennial or Chestnut or another dessert-quality
> > > crab)
> > > > Carolina Red June
> > > > Kandil Sinap
> > > > (I haven't gotten through much of the alphabet yet in my research
> > > LOL!! --
> > > > but I know some of yours are new to me)
> > > >
> > > > Talk me into some of your varieties!  Just please remember: summers
> > > are
> > > hot
> > > > & humid; winters are temperate; fireblight is rampant; clay soil;
and
> > > I'm
> > > a
> > > > total and absolute beginner!!
> > > >
> > > > Oh also --- I was recommended M7 rootstock.  Tell me about Bud 9 and
> > > EMLA
> > > > 111?
> > > >
> > > > One more thing ----- surely $1.50 won't cover your shipping?
> > > >
> > > > Regina
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bruce Hansen" <brucedhansen at sbcglobal.net>
> > > > To: "NAFEX" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:16 PM
> > > > Subject: [NAFEX] NAFEX FUNDRAISING
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > AND
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
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