[NAFEX] Help me pick which fundraiser apples to buy

Bruce Hansen brucedhansen at sbcglobal.net
Wed Oct 20 08:54:05 EDT 2004


Regina:

Many of my M7 trees had to be staked, verboten at the Apple Branch. M111 do
not have to be staked, are capable of handling a drought and provide me with
a sturdy structure. Search rootstocks on the web. Also, here in Michigan my
Summer Rambos and Cox are great. The Ashmead Kernel is a good apple and
Edward VII is a terrific culinary apple. Again I also like the Boskoop and
Margil; and let us not forget smokehouse and king. I, generally, prefer an
antique variety. I do not like the singular flavors of modern apples.

Bruce

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Regina Kreger
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:09 AM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Help me pick which fundraiser apples to buy


Thanks for the feedback so far, Lucky, Ginda, and Bruce.

Lucky: since you're the one I heard about both Callaway & Centennial from, I
will follow your advice on that. I was leaning toward Callaway partly
because my sister married a Callaway, so it would be sort of fun to grow
their namesake tree. The Centennials look very attractive in pictures. Has
anyone here tried Chestnut?  I'm intrigued by the description in
www.applejournal.com -- first, they describe Centennial as "One of the best
fresh eating crabs, second only to Chestnut Crab.", then describe Chestnut
as "Delightfully sweet and good-tasting crabapple". I'm just a little
obsessed with the unusual LOL -- and it seems as if the few people who have
heard of edible crabs have heard of Centennial. Lucky, you say that the
Centennial is 2 or 2.5" -- that's as big as the Lady apples I bought at the
farmer's market last weekend.  ?

Ginda: I think Ashmead's Kernal is the one definite yes on my list. It's one
I just keep coming back to. On the other hand, I know some of the newer
varieties may be "better", objectively, than some of the antiques -- but I
just can't get excited about growing them. I get really excited about
growing the antiques. I'll do some research on the Geneva rootstocks, thanks
for the lead.

Bruce:  The Summer Rambos I had this summer were sort of bland. Maybe it was
an off year, or maybe they're better up in your part of the world, but I had
them from two nearby sources, Virginia & Maryland, and was underwhelmed by
both. I've been warned off Cox Orange Pippen by Don Yellman, local backyard
orchardist whom some of you may know, saying: "Cox's Orange is a difficult
apple to grow anywhere, but nearly impossible in the mid-Atlantic. Nearly
all the fruit cracks across the top, and it is subject to rot before it
ripens on the tree." In fact, any recommendations I get I try to get his
opinion on as far as local conditions go, because it's becoming clear that a
great variety is only a great variety in the right location. Let's see...
Northwest Greening sounds interesting, I hadn't come across a description
but will start looking. Roxbury Russet I'm definitely intrigued by! Vintage
Virginia Apples puts its origin at early 17th century and say it's "probably
the oldest named variety of apple in America"! And I love your description
of it, and now that I go back to my notes I see it was also recommended by a
fellow Marylander.

Uh-oh, now I have two definite yesses and they're both russets and they both
ripen at the same time! How did that happen? (Roxbury Russet & Ashmead's
Kernal, in case this very long post is losing anyone.....)

Here's an early, "spicy" one - my  new favorite for the next 3 minutes until
something else grabs my eye - Hollow Log: "This flavorful and colorful apple
originated in Rutherford County, North Carolina at an unknown date. Its name
derives from the fact that it was discovered growing as a wild seedling near
an old hollow log.  It is a very late bloomer thus escaping most late spring
frosts. As described by Valdesian Nurseries of Bostic, NC, in the 1920's, it
is a 'large fruit, deep yellow in color, tender, crisp, very juicy and with
a most delicious, aromatic, spicy flavor.' Ripens late June and can be
picked into August." (description from Big Horse Creek Farm).

Bruce, in case you're still with me through that long long message, please
tell me WHY did you change from M7 to EMLA 111? What are the disadvantages
of one and the advantages of the other? 75-80% of standard still sounds
intimidating to me.

Thanks again, for all the feedback.

Regina Kreger
Riverdale Park, Maryland (Z7)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hansen" <brucedhansen at sbcglobal.net>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:18 PM
Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Help me pick which fundraiser apples to buy


> Regina:
>
> You should listen to all folk on the list-serv. Taste is personal. For me
> let me suggest a summer apple that ripens last of August. Summer Rambo a
> 16th century French apple that is crisp and wonderful. Then a Cox Orange
> Pippen ripening in mid September. A great dessert apple but also makes a
> good pie. For a pie apple an old Wisconsin apple, Northwest Greening. This
> apple ripens first part of October and to my taste is also a good desert
> apple and keeps well. Last the best a Roxbury Russet. Old New England
apple
> from 1700s. Great dessert apple and cider apple. Like a fine wine the
flavor
> is one thing when you bite into it and different whem chewing and has an
> after taste when you swallow. You also might try planting the trees in a
> triangle, 3 foot on a side. Then prune the interior. Saves space.
Regarding
> rootstock, I started with M7 but quickly changed to EMLA 111. It produces
a
> tree about 75-80% of standard but can be pruned to a smaller size.
>
> Listen to others before you choose.
>
> Bruce
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Regina Kreger
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:40 PM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: [NAFEX] Help me pick which fundraiser apples to buy
>
>
> OK, I'm in.  Only trouble is, I've been agonizing over the selections
since
> I bought this 1/2 acre in July.  I've never had a lawn, much less an
> orchard, so this is all new to me --- that's why I've just been lurking on
> this list, soaking it all in.
>
> So please help me choose, 4 trees to start.  Eventually I'll have a couple
> more - leaving room for other fruits - but I want to leave myself a chance
> to fall in love with some and still have room for them later. So starting
> with 4. Here are my criteria.
>
> - I live in Maryland, close-in suburb of D.C. -- must be reasonably suited
> to my climate, etc.
> - I want a wide variety, in terms of color, flavor, texture, ripening
date,
> etc.  Mostly dessert, but I'll include one dessert-quality crab, one sauce
> and one cider apple, and at least one or two of them should be good for
> cooking too. Hopefully all, even the cider apple, will be palatable out of
> hand.
> - I don't want varieties I can find at the store, no matter how much
better
> they would taste grown in my back yard.  I want antiques, preferably ones
> that I might be helping to pull back from the precipice of extinction.
> - In my research so far, adjectives I have found attractive include
> "vinous", "complex", "aromatic", "spicy", "flavorful" (not "mild")
>
> Strong candidates so far are:
>
> Abram (cider -- is it also good eating?)
> Ashmead's Kernal
> Arkansas Black
> Albemarle Pippin
> Carpentin
> Callaway Crab (or Centennial or Chestnut or another dessert-quality crab)
> Carolina Red June
> Kandil Sinap
> (I haven't gotten through much of the alphabet yet in my research LOL!! --
> but I know some of yours are new to me)
>
> Talk me into some of your varieties!  Just please remember: summers are
hot
> & humid; winters are temperate; fireblight is rampant; clay soil; and I'm
a
> total and absolute beginner!!
>
> Oh also --- I was recommended M7 rootstock.  Tell me about Bud 9 and EMLA
> 111?
>
> One more thing ----- surely $1.50 won't cover your shipping?
>
> Regina
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Hansen" <brucedhansen at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NAFEX" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:16 PM
> Subject: [NAFEX] NAFEX FUNDRAISING
>
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