[NAFEX] native grasses and cover crops

Louisa Rogoff Thompson louisathompson at erols.com
Sat May 1 10:27:37 EDT 2004


Does anyone have any experience with or information about using native 
grasses or legumes in orchards?
Louisa Thompson
(southcentral PA)

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>   3. groundcovers (David Doud)
>   4. Re: St. Augustine grass (Richard O'Barr)
>   5. Re: Cicadas, eating thereof (rob hamilton)
>   6. book: Pruning and Training Fruit Trees (Teghtmeyer, Suzanne R)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:04:29 -0400
>From: "Ed Fackler" <efackler at woh.rr.com>
>Subject: RE: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof
>To: "longdistshtr" <longdistshtr at shtc.net>,	"North American Fruit
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>     Jerry's life-long diet of cicadas and turnip juice is the reason why he
>so intelligent.................
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>Ed, So. Ohio, rains makin' dandelions bloom every 10 mins.
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>Subject: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof
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>As Jerry Lehman mentioned in his American Persimmon Interest Group Article
>(Pomona, Spring '04) some Native American diet items have gone unappreciated
>over the years. However uninformed this information may seem, there is an
>element of fact in it.
>Being that this is a target year for the emergence of tenerals from all
>those grubs which have been gnawing our delicate feeder roots for almost two
>decades, there is a chance for revenge and also to revive a favored fare of
>this Land's former inhabitants.
>They are surprisingly delicious and in some parts of the Country there will
>be plenty of them to sample if you are so inclined.  Try 'em. You'll
>probably like 'em.  The females are best. The listed site has several
>recipes.  I'd advise one to stay away from the saturated fat in the
>chocolate covered ones. Leave a few to serenade me with their "July Fly
>Overture" on a hot summer afternoon while I sip my Mint Julep.
>
>http://www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/pdf/cicada%20recipes.PDF
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>Doc Lisenby
>Zone 7/8 (SC-whar we don't know nothin' 'bout no 'simmon puddin' but the
>'possums are good 'n fat)
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>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:14:57 -0700
>From: "Bill Russell" <shaman at pennswoods.net>
>Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof
>To: "longdistshtr" <longdistshtr at shtc.net>,	"North American Fruit
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>Check this out:
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>http://www.chiprowe.com/magrev/insects.html
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>Bill
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>From: "longdistshtr" <longdistshtr at shtc.net>
>To: "NAFEX" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:20 AM
>Subject: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof
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>>As Jerry Lehman mentioned in his American Persimmon Interest Group Article
>>(Pomona, Spring '04) some Native American diet items have gone
>>    
>>
>unappreciated
>  
>
>>over the years. However uninformed this information may seem, there is an
>>element of fact in it.
>>Being that this is a target year for the emergence of tenerals from all
>>those grubs which have been gnawing our delicate feeder roots for almost
>>    
>>
>two
>  
>
>>decades, there is a chance for revenge and also to revive a favored fare
>>    
>>
>of
>  
>
>>this Land's former inhabitants.
>>They are surprisingly delicious and in some parts of the Country there
>>    
>>
>will
>  
>
>>be plenty of them to sample if you are so inclined.  Try 'em. You'll
>>probably like 'em.  The females are best. The listed site has several
>>recipes.  I'd advise one to stay away from the saturated fat in the
>>chocolate covered ones. Leave a few to serenade me with their "July Fly
>>Overture" on a hot summer afternoon while I sip my Mint Julep.
>>
>>http://www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/pdf/cicada%20recipes.PDF
>>
>>Doc Lisenby
>>Zone 7/8 (SC-whar we don't know nothin' 'bout no 'simmon puddin' but the
>>'possums are good 'n fat)
>>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:30:07 -0500
>From: "David Doud" <doudone at netusa1.net>
>Subject: [NAFEX] groundcovers
>To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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>my 2 cents: - -Orchard grass;  tough and coarse - as mentioned a 'clump grass',  if left unmowed will get >12" tall and rabbits and mice love the areas between the clumps - - good if you are running equipment over it and mow regularly,  but I consider it a high maintanance cover - 
>clover; of various specie,  tends to become a weed,  tends to be tolerant of common herbicides,  attractive to pollinators during the summer which may bring them into contact with whatever pest control sprays you may be using - Dutch white is low enough to not cause too much grief,  but most species will be rather tall and tough and cause problems if you rotary mow - 
>I used 'Companion',  a proprietary mix of grasses,  on several acres 14 years ago,  and it's nice - and expensive - and certainly by now there is quite a mix of specie that have moved in,  though the area is still rather civilized...
>For somthing that is commonly availibe at an ag supply,  creeping red fescue works well - if you desire a legume,  birdsfoot trefoil is commonly availible and does not become a weed like clover - 
>DOUD,  zone 5z - - your results may vary....
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>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:22:21 -0500
>From: "Richard O'Barr" <aatopgunaa at mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: [NAFEX] St. Augustine grass
>To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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>There is a St. Ausustine lawn in B'Ham, AL that has been growing there for
>about 50 years.
>                                           Topgun
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Lucky Pittman" <lucky.pittman at murraystate.edu>
>To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 8:45 AM
>Subject: [NAFEX] St. Augustine grass
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>>At 04:36 PM 4/29/2004 -0500, RW Spalinger wrote:
>>    
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>>>I planted patches of St. Augustine grass in the orchard and as it grows,
>>>it chokes out the Bermuda grass. I'm not sure that St. Augustine is the
>>>best choice for ground cover, but it does not grow as tall as bermuda,
>>>      
>>>
>and
>  
>
>>>is much thicker and easier to mow. The roots are shallow and I find many
>>>earthworms within the roots whenever I did up a patch to make room for a
>>>new tree. To me it also is better looking than Bermuda weed.
>>>      
>>>
>>St. Augustine is not very winter-hardy.  I've never seen it survive
>>    
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>farther
>  
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>>'north' than the zone 7/8 interface.
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>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:44:46 -0700 (PDT)
>From: rob hamilton <lostman_amiga at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Cicadas, eating thereof
>To: longdistshtr <longdistshtr at shtc.net>,	North American Fruit
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>One of the links suggested that Japanise Beatles being
>edible.  Next month I will have enough to eat and put
>up for storage.  Anyone got a recipe for JB jam? :)
>
>Actally, I dont think I could stand popping them in my
>mouth (at least the adults), but I wish I could get
>the birds interested in them.
>
>Robert
>
>
>--- longdistshtr <longdistshtr at shtc.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>As Jerry Lehman mentioned in his American Persimmon
>>Interest Group Article
>>(Pomona, Spring '04) some Native American diet items
>>have gone unappreciated
>>over the years. However uninformed this information
>>may seem, there is an
>>element of fact in it.
>>Being that this is a target year for the emergence
>>of tenerals from all
>>those grubs which have been gnawing our delicate
>>feeder roots for almost two
>>decades, there is a chance for revenge and also to
>>revive a favored fare of
>>this Land's former inhabitants.
>>They are surprisingly delicious and in some parts of
>>the Country there will
>>be plenty of them to sample if you are so inclined. 
>>Try 'em. You'll
>>probably like 'em.  The females are best. The listed
>>site has several
>>recipes.  I'd advise one to stay away from the
>>saturated fat in the
>>chocolate covered ones. Leave a few to serenade me
>>with their "July Fly
>>Overture" on a hot summer afternoon while I sip my
>>Mint Julep.
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>http://www.urhome.umd.edu/newsdesk/pdf/cicada%20recipes.PDF
>  
>
>>Doc Lisenby
>>Zone 7/8 (SC-whar we don't know nothin' 'bout no
>>'simmon puddin' but the
>>'possums are good 'n fat)
>>
>>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:29:49 -0500
>From: "Teghtmeyer, Suzanne R" <srt175f at smsu.edu>
>Subject: [NAFEX] book: Pruning and Training Fruit Trees
>To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
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>Has anyone seen this book and be willing to comment on it?
>A person can look at the table of contents and such at Amazon.com, but
>I'm asking for personal accounts.
> 
>Pruning and Training Fruit Trees
>by Warren Somerville (Author) 
>Paperback: 144 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.50 x 10.00 x 7.00 
>Publisher: Butterworth-Heinemann; (May 16, 1997) 
>ISBN: 0750689315
> 
>Thanks!!
>----Suzi Teghtmeyer
>Paul Evans Library of Fruit Science
>Missouri State Fruit Experiment Station and Mid-America Viticulture and
>Enology Center, 
>Southwest Missouri State University, Mountain Grove Campus
>Evans Library Homepage: http://library.smsu.edu/paulevans/
>AgNIC Viticulture site:
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>Email: srt175f at smsu.edu
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