[NAFEX] figs,mulberry and jujuge oh my!

Needham Greg needhamgr at hotmail.com
Tue Jun 24 15:57:54 EDT 2003


Hi Robert!  To be honest, my life is so full of work, family, etc. that I 
will have to wait until I retire to join SFF!!  I barely have a free minute, 
no kidding.  Plus we are not set up very well to receive visitors-we are 
running around all over the place and my orchard is patroled by a couple of 
huge dogs that will literally eat anyone who wanders over the fence.  Where 
is the meeting going to be, and when?  It is nice to share jujube info and 
enthusiasm; maybe we could set up a meeting.  But the most efficient way to 
communicate with me has got to be email- I check my mail frequently and find 
a spare minute here and there to respond.  I should put some digital photos 
on sometime for people to see what the fruit and trees are like.  They 
really are a joy to grow, for me and my family.  Some people don't think 
much of them- just like some people don't like tomatoes or cukes- but to me 
variety really is the spice of life!  See some of my other posts for contact 
info for Roger Meyer, who sells lots of different jujubes and THE book on 
the subject if you want to know more.  Great stuff!

Greg


>From: rob hamilton <lostman_amiga at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: Re: [NAFEX] figs,mulberry and jujuge oh my!
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:41:03 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hey thanx for all the information!
>Are you going to the SFF meeting? If so, I would like
>to meet you and discuss this further. I am aware of
>only a few varieties. Maybe if you have a spare moment
>after the meeting, I would like to stop by your
>orchard on the way back to Atlanta and see some of
>these tree?
>
>Robert
>
>--- Needham Greg <needhamgr at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Rob,
> >      Jujubes are one of my favorite plants!  I have
> > put together a modest
> > collection over the past several years; here are
> > some of my observations so
> > far that might help:
> > I have a mixed planting of cultivars I hoped might
> > succeed in the humid
> > southeast and provide pollen for each other-
> > Sherwood, Silverhill,
> > Fitzgerald, Abbeville, Admiral Wilkes, Li, Honey
> > Jar, GA866, Suan Tsao, and
> > Sugar Cane.  I also let a rootstock grow up for
> > comparison.  Each cultivar
> > seems to have its own personality, so for example,
> > in terms of which are
> > more productive,  each year since it was very small
> > Honey Jar has put on all
> > the fruit it could hold, while Sherwood (on its own
> > roots) which is a couple
> > years older is just now setting a few fruit.  My Li
> > usually has a very
> > modest crop, though I have had it the longest, while
> > Fitzgerald, Abbeville,
> > Silverhill, and Admiral Wilkes will set an
> > unbelievable number of jujubes.
> > Vigor really varies too- Silverhill, Admiral Wilkes
> > and Fitzgerald shoot up
> > each year like crazy, but Honey jar and GA866 have
> > been much slower (I
> > should point out that it has usually taken a season
> > of getting
> > well-established for all of my jujubes before they
> > really are happy and
> > start to grow well).  They like a lot of sun and to
> > be fed and also watered
> > if it is dry- this will help ripen a full crop!
> > Once established they are
> > pretty tough!  My jujubes attract the most
> > incredibly diverse collection of
> > pollen- and nectar-hungry insects!  We see all kinds
> > of ants, miniature
> > bee-like creatures, flies in all sorts of
> > irridescent colors, and some
> > insects so small I can't tell what they are...
> > It is a fascinating show to watch, standing among
> > the jujubes on an
> > afternoon and breathing in the grape soda smell
> > produced by the flowers.
> > Honey bees, etc. don't go near my jujubes, but the
> > other little helpers do
> > the job nicely.  I have had zero problems with
> > insects, disease or even
> > birds eating the fruit, but my children and I eat
> > all we can hold every
> > year.  Flavor varies among cultivars and with some
> > tasting better at
> > different stages- some need to be red-brown, others
> > are good when just
> > turning yellow, etc.
> > This turned into a long message as I was trying to
> > piece together an answer
> > to your question of how to get the tree to fruit
> > better!  I would say plant
> > the cultivars that have been really productive for
> > me (Silverhill,
> > Abbeville, Fitzgerald, Admiral Wilkes, Suan Tsao,
> > etc.)  But I wonder if
> > there is some pollination magic happening that I am
> > unaware of?  What if my
> > most productive cultivars are able to be so because
> > of pollen from one of
> > the others?  This is one reason I tried to plant
> > enough different jujubes to
> > make sure there was plenty of pollen for all.  As
> > for dwarfing, some of my
> > plants grow smaller and others larger, though I
> > don't know about the
> > eventual mature size of any of them- to me it looks
> > like GA866 will be
> > pretty dwarfy.
> > I hope this helps!  Besides my own experience, my
> > source for info on jujubes
> > (and the source for most of my plants) is Roger
> > Meyer- thank goodness he has
> > done so much work with jujubes, rescuing material
> > from the Chico Research
> > station (like GA866!) and writing his Jujube Primer
> > and Sourcebook!
> >
> > Greg
> > zone 7/8
> > coastal plain of North Carolina
> >
> > >From: rob hamilton <lostman_amiga at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: North American Fruit Explorers
> > <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > >To: North American Fruit Explorers
> > <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > >Subject: [NAFEX] figs,mulberry and jujuge oh my!
> > >Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >I was going to wait till the SFF meeting next month
> > to
> > >ask some of these question, but maybe some people
> > here
> > >may be able to help as well.
> > >
> > >Fig--
> > >    Has anyone tried growing different fig
> > varieties on
> > >Blackjack fig rootstock to see if it will dwarf the
> > >growth?
> > >
> > >Jujube---
> > >	  How do you get the tree to fruit better?
> > >   	What are the pollinators?
> > >   	Has anyone tried a variety called "GA866"?
> > >	  Can this tree be dwarfed as well?
> > >
> > >Mulberry--
> > >    Has anyone tried to dwarf with Garaldi
> > rootstock?
> > >
> > >Che--
> > >   My che tree seems to be doing fine with a good
> > flush
> > >of leaves, but there is very little growth on it
> > these
> > >past two years.  What can I do to help it along?
> > >
> > >thanx
> > >
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