[NAFEX] figs,mulberry and jujuge oh my!

rob hamilton lostman_amiga at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 24 13:41:03 EDT 2003

Hey thanx for all the information!
Are you going to the SFF meeting? If so, I would like
to meet you and discuss this further. I am aware of
only a few varieties. Maybe if you have a spare moment
after the meeting, I would like to stop by your
orchard on the way back to Atlanta and see some of
these tree?


--- Needham Greg <needhamgr at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Rob,
>      Jujubes are one of my favorite plants!  I have
> put together a modest 
> collection over the past several years; here are
> some of my observations so 
> far that might help:
> I have a mixed planting of cultivars I hoped might
> succeed in the humid 
> southeast and provide pollen for each other-
> Sherwood, Silverhill, 
> Fitzgerald, Abbeville, Admiral Wilkes, Li, Honey
> Jar, GA866, Suan Tsao, and 
> Sugar Cane.  I also let a rootstock grow up for
> comparison.  Each cultivar 
> seems to have its own personality, so for example,
> in terms of which are 
> more productive,  each year since it was very small
> Honey Jar has put on all 
> the fruit it could hold, while Sherwood (on its own
> roots) which is a couple 
> years older is just now setting a few fruit.  My Li
> usually has a very 
> modest crop, though I have had it the longest, while
> Fitzgerald, Abbeville, 
> Silverhill, and Admiral Wilkes will set an
> unbelievable number of jujubes.  
> Vigor really varies too- Silverhill, Admiral Wilkes
> and Fitzgerald shoot up 
> each year like crazy, but Honey jar and GA866 have
> been much slower (I 
> should point out that it has usually taken a season
> of getting 
> well-established for all of my jujubes before they
> really are happy and 
> start to grow well).  They like a lot of sun and to
> be fed and also watered 
> if it is dry- this will help ripen a full crop! 
> Once established they are 
> pretty tough!  My jujubes attract the most
> incredibly diverse collection of 
> pollen- and nectar-hungry insects!  We see all kinds
> of ants, miniature 
> bee-like creatures, flies in all sorts of
> irridescent colors, and some 
> insects so small I can't tell what they are...
> It is a fascinating show to watch, standing among
> the jujubes on an 
> afternoon and breathing in the grape soda smell
> produced by the flowers.  
> Honey bees, etc. don't go near my jujubes, but the
> other little helpers do 
> the job nicely.  I have had zero problems with
> insects, disease or even 
> birds eating the fruit, but my children and I eat
> all we can hold every 
> year.  Flavor varies among cultivars and with some
> tasting better at 
> different stages- some need to be red-brown, others
> are good when just 
> turning yellow, etc.
> This turned into a long message as I was trying to
> piece together an answer 
> to your question of how to get the tree to fruit
> better!  I would say plant 
> the cultivars that have been really productive for
> me (Silverhill, 
> Abbeville, Fitzgerald, Admiral Wilkes, Suan Tsao,
> etc.)  But I wonder if 
> there is some pollination magic happening that I am
> unaware of?  What if my 
> most productive cultivars are able to be so because
> of pollen from one of 
> the others?  This is one reason I tried to plant
> enough different jujubes to 
> make sure there was plenty of pollen for all.  As
> for dwarfing, some of my 
> plants grow smaller and others larger, though I
> don't know about the 
> eventual mature size of any of them- to me it looks
> like GA866 will be 
> pretty dwarfy.
> I hope this helps!  Besides my own experience, my
> source for info on jujubes 
> (and the source for most of my plants) is Roger
> Meyer- thank goodness he has 
> done so much work with jujubes, rescuing material
> from the Chico Research 
> station (like GA866!) and writing his Jujube Primer
> and Sourcebook!
> Greg
> zone 7/8
> coastal plain of North Carolina
> >From: rob hamilton <lostman_amiga at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: North American Fruit Explorers
> <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> >To: North American Fruit Explorers
> <nafex at lists.ibiblio.org>
> >Subject: [NAFEX] figs,mulberry and jujuge oh my!
> >Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >I was going to wait till the SFF meeting next month
> to
> >ask some of these question, but maybe some people
> here
> >may be able to help as well.
> >
> >Fig--
> >    Has anyone tried growing different fig
> varieties on
> >Blackjack fig rootstock to see if it will dwarf the
> >growth?
> >
> >Jujube---
> >	  How do you get the tree to fruit better?
> >   	What are the pollinators?
> >   	Has anyone tried a variety called "GA866"?
> >	  Can this tree be dwarfed as well?
> >
> >Mulberry--
> >    Has anyone tried to dwarf with Garaldi
> rootstock?
> >
> >Che--
> >   My che tree seems to be doing fine with a good
> flush
> >of leaves, but there is very little growth on it
> these
> >past two years.  What can I do to help it along?
> >
> >thanx
> >
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