[NAFEX] Finus - I hope - kindly private if not :)

hector black hblack at twlakes.net
Wed Jun 11 19:09:23 EDT 2003

Personally, I would be sorry to see you kept off the list. I enjoy your
contributions and sense of humor.   We should do OK if we stick to growing.
    Hector Black

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Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:33 AM
Subject: [NAFEX] Finus - I hope - kindly private if not :)

Ed Forest/Kevin Bradley wrote:

I just read my posting to the list posted earlier (about 'Mathews') I
don't know how that was sent, that was my first draft which was later toned
down considerably although not completely. (I know this sounds unlikely but
I swear, I didn't mean to send THAT hot of a mesage!)

My reply:

Personally I would not worry too much about what is in the archives.    My
understanding is I annoyed you for some time, and what triggered a response,
that apparently you have some misgivings about, is what was intended as a
private reply that I sent to the list.    In your response you illustrated
some comments that I believe you misconstrued in context (my view), but
realistically all this means is that two adults can interpret two entirely
different things from the same statements.   And then there was that
unfortunate triggering event, which apparently crystallized your suspicions
in your mind.  Whatever…things happen.  People change over time; heck who
knows, perhaps in 5 more years our views will be more in sync.

Anyone pouring over the archives should possess common sense enough to know
that people’s views need to be interpreted in context of the time and
culture in place at the time of statement and that people evolve over time.
If people cannot understand that I would not worry about it too much; my
motto is consider the source of criticism and then determine if it warrants
your concern.

Personally I admire your determination to stand up for what you believe in,
although I think you misconstrued a “few things” (you also got a few things
correct).    Getting me banned, I am fine with that, as I believe groups of
people should be able to choose whom they associate with and the rules for
that interaction.   If that is what people want I am more than happy to
accommodate it.

I guess what I am saying is, if I do not have a concern for what is in the
archives, I have no idea why you would be concerned.  You called it as you
saw it, you did what you thought was right – admirable in my book.    And
you go down in electronic history as a man whom stood up for what he

As for baiting…well if you look at he original post the culling comment was
a single line in a rather lengthy post, and I got drawn into the commentary
and probably should have begged off, but running from controversy is just
not in my nature.  Actually it may have been a jab, but not really an
intentional one.  It was sort of meant to get people to think or mull over.
Then things just sort of steam rolled when people did not take it private as
I asked.

You know yesterday I tried to write what I thought would be a very helpful
post to those in the business of growing fruits and vegetables for market,
as this is an area possess certain knowledge in.   But in truth “you” could
read it as political, as much in life is not, and by political I am meaning
the politics the evolve when you are trying to differentiate between small
retail/small commercial growers and larger growers.    I read the thing a
few times and discarded it, because in truth when you start an effective
marketing campaign, much of that effect is gained by exploiting the
unspecified perils of one group and promoting the unspecified merits of
another.   Which is in essence politics and probably would offend.

I guess I’ll say it this way, in Tuesdays USA Today the cover article (and
ones similar) give rise to a rare opportunity to use passion to gain the
momentum to drone out a message that increases demand and probable market
share for  growers whom are not trying to dominate via economies of scale.



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